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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:31 am

Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.

When has this ever been the case?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:32 am

Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.



That is another way of implying a false flag.

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.



That is another way of implying a false flag.


Hey, at least it's a watered down version!
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:34 am

Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.


Nah.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:35 am

Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.

It's worth just as much thought to consider the possibility that the bomber is a radical centrist trying to pull a possibly less bloody Ozymandias tbqh.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:35 am

So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:35 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.


Obama was a crisis actor all along!
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:36 am

Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.

Why is it that all this conspiracy bullshit is clothed in language such as 'just a thought' and 'just pointing out'?

Is it so hard to imagine that this was just some person who really hated CNN, Obama and the Clintons? It doesn't have to be a right-winger. There are plenty of people who hate all those parties.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:37 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.

Why is it that all this conspiracy bullshit is clothed in language such as 'just a thought' and 'just pointing out'?

Is it so hard to imagine that this was just some person who really hated CNN, Obama and the Clintons? It doesn't have to be a right-winger. There are plenty of people who hate all those parties.

Glenn Beck was just asking questions.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:38 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.


Not praying. Just looking at things from another angle instead of automatically taking it at face value and outright assuming it can only go one way.

"False flags are a lie! He has to be a right wing nut, it just has to be!"

Please. I can't even bullshit myself that well.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:38 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Why is it that all this conspiracy bullshit is clothed in language such as 'just a thought' and 'just pointing out'?


It's psychological, designed to make it more palatable. "Is it possible that [insert crazy here]?" leaves it open for a part of your brain to say 'Maybe'.
"Is it [insert crazy here]?" is more likely to draw a straight 'Nope'.
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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:40 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Unithonia wrote:Well, this should help the Democrats out significantly in the Midterms. I suspect (if there continue to be bombs with no explosions until the midterms) that this could be a political ploy. I am in no way accusing the Democratic party of doing this, but what if the "bomber" is secretly trying to frame right-wingers for attacking political opponents in order to help out their political party? Just a thought.

Why is it that all this conspiracy bullshit is clothed in language such as 'just a thought' and 'just pointing out'?

Is it so hard to imagine that this was just some person who really hated CNN, Obama and the Clintons? It doesn't have to be a right-winger. There are plenty of people who hate all those parties.


THANK YOU! It's like I said. It could be the Dems, or it could be some crazed member of some other party. or for all we know it could be someone completely politically unaffiliated! Hell it could be ISIS for all we know.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:40 am

Harelia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.


Not praying. Just looking at things from another angle instead of automatically taking it at face value and outright assuming it can only go one way.


When you have to take such a bizarre angle to avoid taking something at face value, then you should probably just be taking it at face value.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:41 am

Harelia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.


Not praying. Just looking at things from another angle instead of automatically taking it at face value and outright assuming it can only go one way.

"False flags are a lie! He has to be a right wing nut, it just has to be!"

Please. I can't even bullshit myself that well.


You're looking at things from the wrong angle then. There's more than enough evidence to suggest some dipshit making bombs and posting them out of a personal grudge against trump critics and zero evidence to suggest a false flag operation. It's a thought, but so's 'I wonder if there are any jaffa cakes left?' It adds bugger all to the discussion.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:41 am

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I mean if the case is that the bombs is defective, then it may just be someone who's had an intricate plan of delivery but terrible with explosives.


My money is one some 4Chan type who googled "how to make bombs"

I'm betting on a mushy-brained boomer who went in to deep with the whole QAnon shit.
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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:41 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Harelia wrote:
Not praying. Just looking at things from another angle instead of automatically taking it at face value and outright assuming it can only go one way.


When you have to take such a bizarre angle to avoid taking something at face value, then you should probably just be taking it at face value.


Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:42 am

Harelia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
When you have to take such a bizarre angle to avoid taking something at face value, then you should probably just be taking it at face value.


Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


We'll be correct asses, though. :p
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:42 am

Harelia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
When you have to take such a bizarre angle to avoid taking something at face value, then you should probably just be taking it at face value.


Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

Oh good grief...
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Postby Heloin » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:44 am

Petrasylvania wrote:So many people praying it's all a Democratic false flag.

I'm waiting to see if someone goes full Alex Jones and brings up crisis actors.

The bombs were sent by gay frogs.

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Postby Caracasus » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:45 am

Harelia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
When you have to take such a bizarre angle to avoid taking something at face value, then you should probably just be taking it at face value.


Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


No evidence to support it being a false flag, loads to support it being a genuine attempt to harm or kill Trump critics. Yeah, no one is gonna suggest convicting someone based on folks online going on about it, but we can probably assume it isn't a false flag until actual evidence shows up.
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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:46 am

Caracasus wrote:
Harelia wrote:
Not praying. Just looking at things from another angle instead of automatically taking it at face value and outright assuming it can only go one way.

"False flags are a lie! He has to be a right wing nut, it just has to be!"

Please. I can't even bullshit myself that well.


You're looking at things from the wrong angle then. There's more than enough evidence to suggest some dipshit making bombs and posting them out of a personal grudge against trump critics and zero evidence to suggest a false flag operation. It's a thought, but so's 'I wonder if there are any jaffa cakes left?' It adds bugger all to the discussion.


Yea, if you're wearing blinders and looking in a single direction, maybe.

We have a word for this type of logical fallacy. it's called an argument from ignorance. Just because there's nothing to suggest otherwise doesn't mean it has to be a right-winger.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

Caracasus wrote:
Harelia wrote:
Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


No evidence to support it being a false flag, loads to support it being a genuine attempt to harm or kill Trump critics. Yeah, no one is gonna suggest convicting someone based on folks online going on about it, but we can probably assume it isn't a false flag until actual evidence shows up.


I'd say it's more an attempt to scare people tbh

We're at 10 packages now and not a single detonation. It's very much seeming like, at least to me, to be a psychological thing.
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Caracasus wrote:
Harelia wrote:
Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


No evidence to support it being a false flag, loads to support it being a genuine attempt to harm or kill Trump critics. Yeah, no one is gonna suggest convicting someone based on folks online going on about it, but we can probably assume it isn't a false flag until actual evidence shows up.

Again, as far as I can recall, the last proven false flag was that one time Joe Arpaio (a Republican) faked an assassination plot on himself. Not much of a precedent for Democrats staging a wave of pipe-bombing attempts on themselves.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
No evidence to support it being a false flag, loads to support it being a genuine attempt to harm or kill Trump critics. Yeah, no one is gonna suggest convicting someone based on folks online going on about it, but we can probably assume it isn't a false flag until actual evidence shows up.


I'd say it's more an attempt to scare people tbh

We're at 10 packages now and not a single detonation. It's very much seeming like, at least to me, to be a psychological thing.

Isn't that still harm? :P
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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

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Except when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


We'll be correct asses, though. :p


You may want to void the word 'correct' until you can prove that.
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