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Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm

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Olerand wrote:I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

As i recall, Murder is illegal?

I thought it was standard knowledge as well.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

As i recall, Murder is illegal?

But she's at fault. She was a liberal, slow as they are, and failed to move, no?

What wrong did he commit, other than against his own car?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm

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Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.

Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.


History time! The original American Nazi Party founded by Rockwell still technically exists as a spiritualist organization called New Order. That change happened a number of decades ago after Rockwell died and Matt Khoel (sp?) took over the NSWPP. Right around 2000 a former ANP member who didn't like all the New Order stuff refounded the ANP and the party exists and is active afaik.

They're not nearly as large as the NSM and don't do public rallies which is why they never get mentioned anymore.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:07 pm

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Kaggeceria wrote:It might not be socialist, but I don't know if you personally are socialist or not.

The that statement is not only meaningless, but based off of ignorance, no?

It was a wild guess. Are you socialist or not?
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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:07 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Loben wrote:As i recall, Murder is illegal?

I thought it was standard knowledge as well.

That poster has claimed that woman was responsible for her death.

If she is responsible for her death, why is that man on trial?
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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:08 pm

Olerand wrote:
Loben wrote:As i recall, Murder is illegal?

But she's at fault. She was a liberal, slow as they are, and failed to move, no?

What wrong did he commit, other than against his own car?


can someone help me repel this Bonapartist please?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:08 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

As i recall, Murder is illegal?

If she is at fault, then it is not murder.
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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:08 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben wrote:As i recall, Murder is illegal?

If she is at fault, then it is not murder.


Meh.

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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:The that statement is not only meaningless, but based off of ignorance, no?

It was a wild guess. Are you socialist or not?

No, like my party, I am a social democrat. Democratic socialists have parties in France, to the left of the PS, like la France Insoumise (in as much as LFI is a party, and in as much as it has an ideology other than left-wing populism, or maybe eco-socialism).
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

As i recall, Murder is illegal?

But if she refused to get out of the way is it murder and not a tragic accident?
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Postby Prydania » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:But she's at fault. She was a liberal, slow as they are, and failed to move, no?

What wrong did he commit, other than against his own car?


can someone help me repel this Bonapartist please?

Get off the forum if you don't want to read people whose opinions clash with your own, or if you don't want to have your own worldview challenged.

I'm sure there are plenty of forums out there within your own ideological bubble to serve as the echo chamber you so desperately want.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:But she's at fault. She was a liberal, slow as they are, and failed to move, no?

What wrong did he commit, other than against his own car?


can someone help me repel this Bonapartist please?

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben wrote:As i recall, Murder is illegal?

If she is at fault, then it is not murder.


EDIT: I also resent being called a Bonapartiste. Bonapartisme is not a left-wing tradition in France, though I do respect its modern iteration, Gaullisme.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:09 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.

Nah, they're still active.

But they're small and have zero influence so no one cares about them besides leftists looking for a boogeyman.

True but people like Richard Spencer don't have to be actual members of the ANP for people to be justified in calling them Nazis.
Groups like the National Policy Institute imo should be monitored as much as any group that we suspect of supporting Islamic Terrorism.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Loben wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If she is at fault, then it is not murder.


Meh.

So is it murder or an accident?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.


History time! The original American Nazi Party founded by Rockwell still technically exists as a spiritualist organization called New Order. That change happened a number of decades ago after Rockwell died and Matt Khoel (sp?) took over the NSWPP. Right around 2000 a former ANP member who didn't like all the New Order stuff refounded the ANP and the party exists and is active afaik.

They're not nearly as large as the NSM and don't do public rallies which is why they never get mentioned anymore.

Yeah I saw that on the wiki page and I thought "Oh god Wash would get a kick outta that" . :lol:

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Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:It might not be socialist, but I don't know if you personally are socialist or not.

Democratic Socialism would be ideal but from where I'm standing Social Democracy lite would be FANTASTIC compared to how things are now imo.
That and the latter would require less radical change and would therefore be more stable.


>Democratic Socialism

See, there you go...
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Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:12 pm

Olerand wrote:
Loben wrote:
can someone help me repel this Bonapartist please?

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If she is at fault, then it is not murder.


EDIT: I also resent being called a Bonapartiste. Bonapartisme is not a left-wing tradition in France, though I do respect its modern iteration, Gaullisme.


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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Democratic Socialism would be ideal but from where I'm standing Social Democracy lite would be FANTASTIC compared to how things are now imo.
That and the latter would require less radical change and would therefore be more stable.


>Democratic Socialism

See, there you go...

There's also the question of what that would even look like in the end, I've even heard some interpretations that it should just essentially be support for businesses to be cooperatives.

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Postby Prydania » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Democratic Socialism would be ideal but from where I'm standing Social Democracy lite would be FANTASTIC compared to how things are now imo.
That and the latter would require less radical change and would therefore be more stable.


>Democratic Socialism

See, there you go...

I'm wondering. How did a discussion about a right wing nutjob sending bombs to Democrats turn into "I wanna bash anything to the left of Keynes"?

I mean I have no love for socialism as an economic system, but the whataboutism is strong here.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:14 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Nah, they're still active.

But they're small and have zero influence so no one cares about them besides leftists looking for a boogeyman.

True but people like Richard Spencer don't have to be actual members of the ANP for people to be justified in calling them Nazis.
Groups like the National Policy Institute imo should be monitored as much as any group that we suspect of supporting Islamic Terrorism.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say they probably are monitored pretty closely just like Klan organizations.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
History time! The original American Nazi Party founded by Rockwell still technically exists as a spiritualist organization called New Order. That change happened a number of decades ago after Rockwell died and Matt Khoel (sp?) took over the NSWPP. Right around 2000 a former ANP member who didn't like all the New Order stuff refounded the ANP and the party exists and is active afaik.

They're not nearly as large as the NSM and don't do public rallies which is why they never get mentioned anymore.

Yeah I saw that on the wiki page and I thought "Oh god Wash would get a kick outta that" . :lol:


The British band New Order had all kinds of issues when they started in the 80's with neo-nazis showing up to their gigs having really got the wrong end of the stick...

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Prydania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Democratic Socialism

See, there you go...

I'm wondering. How did a discussion about a right wing nutjob sending bombs to Democrats turn into "I wanna bash anything to the left of Keynes"?

I mean I have no love for socialism as an economic system, but the whataboutism is strong here.

The right is out in force hating the left, and the left is out in force hating the right. In other words, just another day in NS General.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Olerand wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I thought it was standard knowledge as well.

That poster has claimed that woman was responsible for her death.

If she is responsible for her death, why is that man on trial?

I did not read what he said above. A minute while I do that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
History time! The original American Nazi Party founded by Rockwell still technically exists as a spiritualist organization called New Order. That change happened a number of decades ago after Rockwell died and Matt Khoel (sp?) took over the NSWPP. Right around 2000 a former ANP member who didn't like all the New Order stuff refounded the ANP and the party exists and is active afaik.

They're not nearly as large as the NSM and don't do public rallies which is why they never get mentioned anymore.

Yeah I saw that on the wiki page and I thought "Oh god Wash would get a kick outta that" . :lol:


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Postby Valrifell » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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I didnt say he was. But the number of people who sought office and had ties to neo-Nazi groups is nonzero.


That number hasn't been zero since the 1920's lol


Hard to be a neo-Nazi if the Nazis dont exist yet :p
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