NATION

PASSWORD

Mail Bombs Sent to Clintons and Obama (Man Arrested)

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Kaggeceria
Minister
 
Posts: 3000
Founded: Feb 19, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:58 pm

Olerand wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And that gives you free reign to stamp loads of unrelate people with your scarlet "F"?

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't overuse the Nazi or fascist appellation at all, and I caution against that, actually.

I do reject the comparison between an event where someone died and... someone being a meanie and calling someone else a Nazi.

Harelia wrote:
If we lock up Nazi's for rallying then we're no better than Europe for locking up anyone found making a video of a dog doing Nazi salutes.

Pretty soon we'd have entire groups of people being followed by armed guards pointing individuals out of a crowd going "That mans a Nazi, take him away."

At which point we'd all be stuffed onto a train and shipped off t-Wait a minute....

You wouldn't be any better than Europe... Or in this case, the UK.

Well... With all their faults, I don't think the Brits are that bad... And yes, Europe is filed with groups hounding people up and down the street sending them to jail for false Nazi accusations. It's a Stalinist purge, really.

Kaggeceria wrote:You're literally speaking to an unironic French socialist.

Let's play a game of general knowledge. How close if the French Socialist Party to small-s socialism?

Social Democracy, yadda yadda.

Change your fucking name then.
The Kaggecerian Realm (PMT)
I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe
NSG's only Jewish Nazi with the spookiest flag

User avatar
Loben
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1996
Founded: Sep 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:58 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Loben wrote:
or maybe basic survival instinct? who knows.

"Heather Heyer is Natural Selection at work." Even classier.


i doubt she had children.

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:58 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah but they're not really a problem in the US.

Antifa is a problem, though.

But to be fair them seem to be more AnComs than socialists.

That's pretty much what my response would've been.
American Socialists are more on the level of the Libertarian party then Nazis honestly.

User avatar
Kaggeceria
Minister
 
Posts: 3000
Founded: Feb 19, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Antifa is a problem, though.

But to be fair them seem to be more AnComs than socialists.

That's pretty much what my response would've been.
American Socialists are more on the level of the Libertarian party then Nazis honestly.

Honestly I don't know which is more insulting.

Being compared to an American Socialist or an American Libertarian.
The Kaggecerian Realm (PMT)
I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe
NSG's only Jewish Nazi with the spookiest flag

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Olerand wrote:Prison.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, not sold on state-enforced suppression. But some heavy-handed social marginalization of nazis is good enough praxis for me.

... That's cute... That's really cute, I like that. Not in France, but it's a cute idea.

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:So why is he in jail?



Vehicular manslaughter and fucking up a nice ride?

She should have moved, and it was his car.

Why is he on trial?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:What's wrong with socialists? :(


Everything.

Olerand wrote:Oh I don't doubt that a country conforming to your political leanings would find a lack of Nazis to jail, and an abundance of a variety of leftists. The far-right factions group together, after all, no?


Surprisingly not really actually. Arguably one of the biggest things stopping the far right from growing is a massive and constant amount of infighting.

In a country governed by the far-right? No. As clearly shown by the American far-right here's ardent defense of Nazism.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Loben wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Well I thought violence was the point here.


not quite.

Socialism as far as i have ever been aware of, made my family dirt fucking poor and my great grandmother was murdered by some men for daring to keep grain so she could feed my weak ass grandfather.

....So just be clear I'm talking about a group that basically amounts to what the British Labour Party used to be, not the fucking Bolsheviks.

User avatar
Jerzyland
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 385
Founded: Feb 28, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jerzyland » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Speaking of weird October surprises, the 2 year anniversary of the Comey letter is Sunday.
Dat ol' man Jerzy...

User avatar
Loben
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1996
Founded: Sep 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Olerand wrote:
Liriena wrote:Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, not sold on state-enforced suppression. But some heavy-handed social marginalization of nazis is good enough praxis for me.

... That's cute... That's really cute, I like that. Not in France, but it's a cute idea.

Loben wrote:
Vehicular manslaughter and fucking up a nice ride?

She should have moved, and it was his car.

Why is he on trial?



Good lord, man.

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:That's pretty much what my response would've been.
American Socialists are more on the level of the Libertarian party then Nazis honestly.

Honestly I don't know which is more insulting.

Being compared to an American Socialist or an American Libertarian.

This honestly just made me laugh and I'm fighting it because I'm in a library.

User avatar
Prydania
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1297
Founded: Nov 08, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Prydania » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:00 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Liriena wrote:That's a remarkably tame way to respond to people who literally support gasing the Jews again.

They're not in power and never will be. If people come out for a rally, even if you disagree with them vehemently, the answer isn't to line up and beat them senseless or shoot them dead.

Understatement of the century. I don't just "vehemently disagree" with people who want to kill me. It's shit like this that is the problem. "Vehemently disagree." GTFO with that normalizing nonsense. I vehemently disagree with Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party of Canada. I vehemently disagree with Boston Red Sox fans. I vehemently disagree with people who think pineapple on pizza is acceptable.

I outright despise neo-Nazis. It's not a political disagreement. It's a matter of life and death for some of us.
X ᚴᚮᚿᚢᚿᚵᛋᚱᛇᚴᛁ ᛔᚱᛣᛑᛆᚿᛋᚴ
Prydanian political parties
ᚠᛂᛒ ᛇᚠ ᚠᛚᚠᛔ ᛆᚠ ᛚᚠ

User avatar
Loben
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1996
Founded: Sep 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:01 pm

Jerzyland wrote:Speaking of weird October surprises, the 2 year anniversary of the Comey letter is Sunday.

ah yes, a tragic day in american history where a rising star of women finally cementing themselves came crashing do-....

wait a fucking minute that didnt happen.

User avatar
Telconi
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34903
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Loben wrote:
not quite.

Socialism as far as i have ever been aware of, made my family dirt fucking poor and my great grandmother was murdered by some men for daring to keep grain so she could feed my weak ass grandfather.

....So just be clear I'm talking about a group that basically amounts to what the British Labour Party used to be, not the fucking Bolsheviks.


Then why call themselves Socialist?
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

User avatar
Loben
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1996
Founded: Sep 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Loben wrote:
not quite.

Socialism as far as i have ever been aware of, made my family dirt fucking poor and my great grandmother was murdered by some men for daring to keep grain so she could feed my weak ass grandfather.

....So just be clear I'm talking about a group that basically amounts to what the British Labour Party used to be, not the fucking Bolsheviks.

there is no difference to me.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54797
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:02 pm

Olerand wrote:In a country governed by the far-right? No. As clearly shown by the American far-right here's ardent defense of Nazism.


Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.
Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:02 pm

Harelia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:As opposed to the Ironic French.


Hey! I'm french canadian.

In Québec?

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:I don't know what you're talking about. I don't overuse the Nazi or fascist appellation at all, and I caution against that, actually.

I do reject the comparison between an event where someone died and... someone being a meanie and calling someone else a Nazi.


You wouldn't be any better than Europe... Or in this case, the UK.

Well... With all their faults, I don't think the Brits are that bad... And yes, Europe is filed with groups hounding people up and down the street sending them to jail for false Nazi accusations. It's a Stalinist purge, really.


Let's play a game of general knowledge. How close if the French Socialist Party to small-s socialism?

Social Democracy, yadda yadda.

Change your fucking name then.

Are you under the impression that I own the Socialist Party?

The name has a history, that's why we've kept it. So far, who knows what the future will bring.

So knowing that the PS isn't actually socialist, this:
Kaggeceria wrote:You're literally speaking to an unironic French socialist.

is meaningless, no?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:....So just be clear I'm talking about a group that basically amounts to what the British Labour Party used to be, not the fucking Bolsheviks.


Then why call themselves Socialist?

A question to ask them.
Loben wrote:
Genivaria wrote:....So just be clear I'm talking about a group that basically amounts to what the British Labour Party used to be, not the fucking Bolsheviks.

there is no difference to me.

That's like saying there's no difference between the actual Nazi party and the Christian Democrats.

User avatar
Kaggeceria
Minister
 
Posts: 3000
Founded: Feb 19, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Olerand wrote:
Harelia wrote:
Hey! I'm french canadian.

In Québec?

Kaggeceria wrote:Social Democracy, yadda yadda.

Change your fucking name then.

Are you under the impression that I own the Socialist Party?

The name has a history, that's why we've kept it. So far, who knows what the future will bring.

So knowing that the PS isn't actually socialist, this:
Kaggeceria wrote:You're literally speaking to an unironic French socialist.

is meaningless, no?

It might not be socialist, but I don't know if you personally are socialist or not.
The Kaggecerian Realm (PMT)
I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe
NSG's only Jewish Nazi with the spookiest flag

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Olerand wrote:In a country governed by the far-right? No. As clearly shown by the American far-right here's ardent defense of Nazism.


Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.

Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:04 pm

Loben wrote:
Olerand wrote:... That's cute... That's really cute, I like that. Not in France, but it's a cute idea.


She should have moved, and it was his car.

Why is he on trial?



Good lord, man.

I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Olerand wrote:In a country governed by the far-right? No. As clearly shown by the American far-right here's ardent defense of Nazism.


Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.

How does this relate to far-right American Republicans in this thread defending Nazis?

Is this supposed to make my statement false?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
The South Falls
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13353
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The South Falls » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.

Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.

Only in Germany IIRC. The US has its Nazi party alive and well.
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.

User avatar
Kaggeceria
Minister
 
Posts: 3000
Founded: Feb 19, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sorry, I meant amongst the ACTUAL far right. Ya know, the American Nazi Party and those sorts.

Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.

Nah, they're still active.

But they're small and have zero influence so no one cares about them besides leftists looking for a boogeyman.
The Kaggecerian Realm (PMT)
I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe
NSG's only Jewish Nazi with the spookiest flag

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:In Québec?


Are you under the impression that I own the Socialist Party?

The name has a history, that's why we've kept it. So far, who knows what the future will bring.

So knowing that the PS isn't actually socialist, this:

is meaningless, no?

It might not be socialist, but I don't know if you personally are socialist or not.

The that statement is not only meaningless, but based off of ignorance, no?
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:In Québec?


Are you under the impression that I own the Socialist Party?

The name has a history, that's why we've kept it. So far, who knows what the future will bring.

So knowing that the PS isn't actually socialist, this:

is meaningless, no?

It might not be socialist, but I don't know if you personally are socialist or not.

Democratic Socialism would be ideal but from where I'm standing Social Democracy lite would be FANTASTIC compared to how things are now imo.
That and the latter would require less radical change and would therefore be more stable.

User avatar
Loben
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1996
Founded: Sep 27, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Loben » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Olerand wrote:
Loben wrote:
Good lord, man.

I'm trying to understand. If she is at fault, why is he on trial?

As i recall, Murder is illegal?

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:06 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Are they actually a thing? I thought the actual party was banned or something.

Only in Germany IIRC. The US has its Nazi party alive and well.

And much of Europe. Nazism is illegal in France, for example.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Beneti, Cessarea, Ethel mermania, Ifreann, Inner Albania, Ostroeuropa, Post War America, Terra Magnifica Gloria, Unogonduria, Vassenor

Advertisement

Remove ads