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Postby Uiiop » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:38 am

Harelia wrote:
Uiiop wrote:I'm beginning to suspect that it's his only point. Just pretending to be as stupid as the people he disagree with rather than actually having a good faith discussion on this topic.


NSG? Good faith discussion? Where is this fabled holy land and how do I reach it?

It's a bit looser here granted(and it shouldn't be) but there's still a line that has been crossed.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:38 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He kinda does have a point in that regard though. Plenty of people have that mindset when it's politically advantageous to do so.

It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


So how does that prove that this is a false flag?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:39 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He kinda does have a point in that regard though. Plenty of people have that mindset when it's politically advantageous to do so.

It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

So that means this was staged to? Why don't you join the police department or the FBI since your such a master investigator? I don't think you'd last very long.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:39 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Liriena wrote:When you produce actual proof that it's not a coincidence.

You didn't need any evidence with Kavenaugh.

So you admit you have nothing. Got it.
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


So how does that prove that this is a false flag?

That proves that a pattern is certainly there, yes. And I ask again: qui bono ? Who stands to benefit ?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


So how does that prove that this is a false flag?

It's not meant to prove anything, it's meant to derail the thread.

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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does that prove that this is a false flag?

It's not meant to prove anything, it's meant to derail the thread.

No. It's meant to ask questions. Sorry, I am not going to join you in your Marxist hate fest.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:40 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how does that prove that this is a false flag?

That proves that a pattern is certainly there, yes. And I ask again: qui bono ? Who stands to benefit ?

Who benefits from your desperate attempts to derail the thread?

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Postby Seangoli » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:40 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He kinda does have a point in that regard though. Plenty of people have that mindset when it's politically advantageous to do so.

It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


By extension, this coukd be a Republican false flag attack constructed to look like a Democrat false flag attck in order to make it seem like the Democrats are committing a hoax to gain points.

Its no less ridiculous than saying that leading Democrats would do this.

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Postby Harelia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:41 am

Xmara wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Of course Just like how it would be for your people now. We can't have double standards now, can we ? ;) The Left taught me well.


I’m on no one’s side. If these bombs were sent to someone on the right then I would say the bomber is very likely a left wing extremist. But they were sent to someone on the left, so I’m saying it’s very likely a right wing extremist.


What about if they were sent to prominent centrist figures? Now there's a conundrum....
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:41 am

A beautiful example that Europeans like to forget is Operation Gladio which, according to the BBC (yes, the BBC !) was directly linked to both the Italian Years of Lead and the Belgian Brabant Killings.
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:42 am

Harelia wrote:
Xmara wrote:
I’m on no one’s side. If these bombs were sent to someone on the right then I would say the bomber is very likely a left wing extremist. But they were sent to someone on the left, so I’m saying it’s very likely a right wing extremist.


What about if they were sent to prominent centrist figures? Now there's a conundrum....

Not at all: they are Democrats and those are desperate to win the elections.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:42 am

Free Tristania wrote:A beautiful example that Europeans like to forget is Operation Gladio which, according to the BBC (yes, the BBC !) was directly linked to both the Italian Years of Lead and the Belgian Brabant Killings.

Not even pretending to post anything on topic any more.

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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43 am

Seangoli wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:It's not like they haven't done it before...

Northwoods, anyone ? Gladio ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods You can read the docs for yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Human history is richer in false flags than the world cares to remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


By extension, this coukd be a Republican false flag attack constructed to look like a Democrat false flag attck in order to make it seem like the Democrats are committing a hoax to gain points.

Its no less ridiculous than saying that leading Democrats would do this.

Who knows but the Democrats are the more logical candidate: they stand to immediately benefit.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's not meant to prove anything, it's meant to derail the thread.

No. It's meant to ask questions. Sorry, I am not going to join you in your Marxist hate fest.

Again why don't you join the police department or the FBI since your such a master investigator?

I don't think you'd last very long long though with your conspiracy theories and jumping to conclusions.

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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43 am

Liriena wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:You didn't need any evidence with Kavenaugh.

So you admit you have nothing. Got it.

It's the present year. Hearsay is enough. Just using your own standards.
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:No. It's meant to ask questions. Sorry, I am not going to join you in your Marxist hate fest.

Again why don't you join the police department or the FBI since your such a master investigator?

I don't think you'd last very long long though with your conspiracy theories and jumping to conclusions.

I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:46 am

Better get used to the fact that there will always be someone that will be asking questions from now on. If you want to know the answer to any question: qui bono. Evidence can be thrown right out of the window (I have learned that one from the Left), but if there are phony bombs sent to people, just weeks before elections they are set to lose, then we can ask ourselves questions.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:46 am

Free Tristania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Again why don't you join the police department or the FBI since your such a master investigator?

I don't think you'd last very long long though with your conspiracy theories and jumping to conclusions.

I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.

You're just trying to distract from the terrorist attacks against prominent critics of Trump.

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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.

You're just trying to distract from the terrorist attacks against prominent critics of Trump.

They are not terrorist attacks. They are false flags. No real respecting terrorist would send fake bombs to prominent politicians and then have the befriended media make up a shit storm just short of the elections. The recent terrorism has come from Antifa.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:47 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Liriena wrote:So you admit you have nothing. Got it.

It's the present year. Hearsay is enough. Just using your own standards.

And what are your standards?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:47 am

Free Tristania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Again why don't you join the police department or the FBI since your such a master investigator?

I don't think you'd last very long long though with your conspiracy theories and jumping to conclusions.

I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.


You didnt answer my question and keep going back to the same thing. if it is that simple why hasn't the NYPD or any other police department come out and said what your suggesting?

By your logic the FBI should just arrest Debbie Wasserman Schultz and have her convicted in show trial since that was the name of the sender on the package.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.


You didnt answer my question and keep going back to the same thing. if it is that simple why hasn't the NYPD or any other police department come out and said what your suggesting?

By your logic the FBI should just arrest Debbie Wasserman Schultz and have her convicted in show trial since that was the name of the sender on the package.


That's not a bad idea tbh
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Postby Free Tristania » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:I am just learning it from the Left. They are the masters in the game and that's why they keep losing.


You didnt answer my question and keep going back to the same thing. if it is that simple why hasn't the NYPD or any other police department come out and said what your suggesting?

By your logic the FBI should just arrest Debbie Wasserman Schultz and have her convicted in show trial since that was the name of the sender on the package.

Finally - there is a good idea coming from your side !
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You didnt answer my question and keep going back to the same thing. if it is that simple why hasn't the NYPD or any other police department come out and said what your suggesting?

By your logic the FBI should just arrest Debbie Wasserman Schultz and have her convicted in show trial since that was the name of the sender on the package.


That's not a bad idea tbh

That's very Nazi like.

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