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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Soros lives in Europe, gets a bomb the day before all this happens.
It would figure that it's the same people.

Unless he's getting a bomb in the mail from a completely different group?

Suburban New York. And the current assumption it's the same people behind all of the bombs. Why is that 'too coincidental' and for what?

So you're agreeing with me that it's likely the same guys then.

Why did his bomb get mailed a day before?

Was it a fuck up on their part, did their guy go early and get the day wrong?

I'm trying to think of other existing groups in the news...

Could have been members of that Californian right wing Hate group that got busted recently?

I wonder if we'll find out who did it before the Midterms.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:04 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Suburban New York. And the current assumption it's the same people behind all of the bombs. Why is that 'too coincidental' and for what?

So you're agreeing with me that it's likely the same guys then.

Is there anyone theorizing that this is all just a massive coincidence that unrelated mail bombers all went after demonized Democratic figures?
The Lone Alliance wrote:Why did his bomb get mailed a day before?

Was it a fuck up on their part, did their guy go early and get the day wrong?

I couldn't tell you. I'm still not seeing what this is supposed to imply.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:06 pm

Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:08 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).


They thought people would be fooled about the device's origins by putting DWS' campaign office as the return address. We're not exactly dealing with a criminal mastermind here.
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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:08 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).

They may not have intended it.

Keep in mind that many organizations used to phone in ahead of their bombings. The goal was not necessarily to kill people but to disrupt their lives and put them in fear. A bombing that is prevented can be just a fighting to victim (and would be victims) as a successful bombing.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:09 pm

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The Lone Alliance wrote:So you're agreeing with me that it's likely the same guys then.

Is there anyone theorizing that this is all just a massive coincidence that unrelated mail bombers all went after demonized Democratic figures?

I'm sure somewhere there is someone on the internet arguing that.

The Lone Alliance wrote:Why did his bomb get mailed a day before?

Cannot think of a name wrote:I couldn't tell you. I'm still not seeing what this is supposed to imply.

I was implying that it's all related, since you seem to agree with me I don't see how you don't get it.

I'm implying that whoever is doing this have to be a group. AKA not a single "Lone wolf" a lone wolf wouldn't have been able to make all these deliveries unless they were really booking it. (If all the bombs were like the CNN one with no post stamp)

If it's a group then it's likely it'll be easier to catch too.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:09 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).

They may not have intended it.

Keep in mind that many organizations used to phone in ahead of their bombings. The goal was not necessarily to kill people but to disrupt their lives and put them in fear. A bombing that is prevented can be just a fighting to victim (and would be victims) as a successful bombing.

Given the two who where sent to packages their lives are highly unlikely to have been significantly affected.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).


Perhaps. The bombs were apparently very much live according to law enforcement, even though they were rudimentary in design.

That said, anyone dumb enough to buold these things (given their notoriety for blowing up in the creators hands) probably didnt think this through that well.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Given the two who were sent to packages their lives are highly unlikely to have been significantly affected.

I bet that other lesser Democratic officials are hesitating before opening their mailboxes.

edit: However, I will certainly agree that we know nothing of the perpetrator at this point. Stupidity is just a likely possible.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:They may not have intended it.

Keep in mind that many organizations used to phone in ahead of their bombings. The goal was not necessarily to kill people but to disrupt their lives and put them in fear. A bombing that is prevented can be just a fighting to victim (and would be victims) as a successful bombing.

Given the two who where sent to packages their lives are highly unlikely to have been significantly affected.


Did you miss the point where the entire Time Warner Center had to be evacuated after one of the bombs was sent to CNN?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:14 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Given the two who where sent to packages their lives are highly unlikely to have been significantly affected.


Did you miss the point where the entire Time Warner Center had to be evacuated after one of the bombs was sent to CNN?

Just like it would get evacuated if there was a fire or anything else like that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:15 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Is there anyone theorizing that this is all just a massive coincidence that unrelated mail bombers all went after demonized Democratic figures?

I'm sure somewhere there is someone on the internet arguing that.

The Lone Alliance wrote:Why did his bomb get mailed a day before?


I was implying that it's all related, since you seem to agree with me I don't see how you don't get it.

I'm implying that whoever is doing this have to be a group. AKA not a single "Lone wolf" a lone wolf wouldn't have been able to make all these deliveries unless they were really booking it. (If all the bombs were like the CNN one with no post stamp)

If it's a group then it's likely it'll be easier to catch too.

You started off wondering why no one blamed Russia and then said it was too coincidental as if only Russia could possibly organize 4 people in the same relative area. This is what I'm not getting, the level of organization you seem to think this requires.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:15 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Did the people sending these bombs actually expect them to harm the people they where being sent to? I mean the people most likely to be harmed would have been the postal workers, since Clinton and Obama would never receive those mails. Both of them are under constant protection one as a former president, and the other has the former first lady (I don't think secretary of state gets permanent protection).


Perhaps. The bombs were apparently very much live according to law enforcement, even though they were rudimentary in design.

That said, anyone dumb enough to buold these things (given their notoriety for blowing up in the creators hands) probably didnt think this through that well.

I doubt they are thinking at all if this was sincere.

So all the bombs detonate and kill all the ones responsible, what does the creator think will happen?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:You started off wondering why no one blamed Russia and then said it was too coincidental as if only Russia could possibly organize 4 people in the same relative area. This is what I'm not getting, the level of organization you seem to think this requires.

That's because I originally believed that the Soros bomb was in Europe. After you corrected that I reconsidered.
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Postby Xmara » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:Right, so what do we actually know at this point?


That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:35 pm

Xmara wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Right, so what do we actually know at this point?


That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.

And he clearly doesn't like Democrats, CNN, and George Soros.
And he's not very good at making bombs.
And he either has a good vehicle or 2 or 3 people helping him.
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Xmara wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Right, so what do we actually know at this point?


That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.


I'm sorry, let me reiterate their question; Right, so what do we ACTUALLY know at this point.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:47 pm

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Xmara wrote:
That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.


I'm sorry, let me reiterate their question; Right, so what do we ACTUALLY know at this point.

A person or persons unknown sent explosive devices to political figures which were intercepted before they could reach their targets. There were some stickers on one and a bogus return address. That's about all, currently.
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Xmara wrote:
That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.


I'm sorry, let me reiterate their question; Right, so what do we ACTUALLY know at this point.

An unknown individual or group, possibly extremist, sent explosives to former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and former candidate, First Lady, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with bogus info and fake stickers.
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The Lone Alliance wrote:
Xmara wrote:
That the bomber is likely a right wing extremist.

And he clearly doesn't like Democrats, CNN, and George Soros.
And he's not very good at making bombs.
And he either has a good vehicle or 2 or 3 people helping him.

You shouldn't assume the perp is a male. It's somewhat more likely but not certain.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:54 pm

Atheris wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
I'm sorry, let me reiterate their question; Right, so what do we ACTUALLY know at this point.

An unknown individual or group, possibly extremist, sent explosives to former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and former candidate, First Lady, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with bogus info and fake stickers.


This unknown force also sent a pipe bomb to billionaire George Soros and television news station CNN.

We also know for certain that all of the explosives have been intercepted by law enforcement, with (to my knowledge) at least the package to Mr Soros detonated in a controlled demolition.
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This is a correlation with Trump saying "there will be leftist violence", which, combined with our political polarization being the main factor, made someone send a bomb to all of these people.
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Scomagia wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:And he clearly doesn't like Democrats, CNN, and George Soros.
And he's not very good at making bombs.
And he either has a good vehicle or 2 or 3 people helping him.

You shouldn't assume the perp is a male. It's somewhat more likely but not certain.

I'm giving 70% odds it's male.
Now there might be a female involved though, terrorism is getting more gender equal these days.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:07 pm

The South Falls wrote:This is a correlation with Trump saying "there will be leftist violence", which, combined with our political polarization being the main factor, made someone send a bomb to all of these people.

Like how all the Pizzagate meming convinced a moron to shoot up Comet Ping Pong and Pizza.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:09 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You shouldn't assume the perp is a male. It's somewhat more likely but not certain.

I'm giving 70% odds it's male.
Now there might be a female involved though, terrorism is getting more gender equal these days.

Wouldn't far right ideology be of the "Get in the kitchen and make me a sammich and babies, bitch" type?
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Postby Balican » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:09 pm

The South Falls wrote:This is a correlation with Trump saying "there will be leftist violence", which, combined with our political polarization being the main factor, made someone send a bomb to all of these people.

I'm glad to see that some people in this thread aren't jumping to conclusions.
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