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Postby Vassenor » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:09 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


So do you have actual evidence of a false flag or are we just supposed to believe it is because you said so?
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Postby Deamonopolis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


So do you have actual evidence of a false flag or are we just supposed to believe it is because you said so?


Absolutely the latter. I have zero factual evidence to back up my claim, but you can pretend to believe to give me a warm comfy feeling.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.

Do you have any evidence for this conspiracy theory of yours?

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


So do you have actual evidence of a false flag or are we just supposed to believe it is because you said so?


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Postby Seangoli » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:11 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


Ah, the T_D brigade gas arrived.

As for why they didnt go off, there are a couple possibilities. They could be timed, the person who made them were bad at it, or the trigger system didn't wprk foe whatever reason.

I would find a false flag attavk to be pretty damn farfetched given how ridiculously illegal it is.

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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:12 am

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Scomagia wrote:I jumped the gun on calling you an ideologue. I don't know you well enough to make that statement. I'm sorry.

You're still wrong to be so certain of this mail bomber's motives, though.


It's wrong to be certain but it isn't wrong to have a strong suspicion given the targets and the type of people we're talking about here.

I said it was probable that the perpetrator(s) is a right wing jerkass. My only problem is with arbitrary certainty, not probabilistic guesses.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:12 am

Seangoli wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


Ah, the T_D brigade gas arrived.

As for why they didnt go off, there are a couple possibilities. They could be timed, the person who made them were bad at it, or the trigger system didn't wprk foe whatever reason.

I would find a false flag attavk to be pretty damn farfetched given how ridiculously illegal it is.


Mail or letter bombs are typically designed to go off when opened.

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Postby Deamonopolis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:14 am

I find it farfetched to think that a George Soros or Hillary Clinton goes outside to check their mailbox

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:15 am

Deamonopolis wrote:I find it farfetched to think that a George Soros or Hillary Clinton goes outside to check their mailbox


The one for Soros was placed there and where do you get this notion from?
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:15 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.

Lay off the coffee. Honestly, this is worse than the posts that are arbitrarily certain that the perpetrator(s) is right wing.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:15 am

Scomagia wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
It's wrong to be certain but it isn't wrong to have a strong suspicion given the targets and the type of people we're talking about here.

I said it was probable that the perpetrator(s) is a right wing jerkass. My only problem is with arbitrary certainty, not probabilistic guesses.


People don't create arguments with probabilistic language.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:16 am

Deamonopolis wrote:I find it farfetched to think that a George Soros or Hillary Clinton goes outside to check their mailbox


The Clinton one was discovered by SS agents assigned to the Clintons after being delivered to the premises but before being delivered to the Clintons.

Nobody has stated that the Clintons or Obamas or Soros were the ones whom found the bombs. Only that these were the intended targets.
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Postby Deamonopolis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:I find it farfetched to think that a George Soros or Hillary Clinton goes outside to check their mailbox


The one for Soros was placed there and where do you get this notion from?


Dunno, I just don't find them the sort of people to "lower themselves" to something as mundane as getting their mail. They probably employ a butler or serf for that kinda thing.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:17 am

Deamonopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The one for Soros was placed there and where do you get this notion from?


Dunno, I just don't find them the sort of people to "lower themselves" to something as mundane as getting their mail. They probably employ a butler or serf for that kinda thing.

You make a great detective for the police department or investigator for the FBI jumping to conclusions and unfounded accusations like you do.

And even if they do what's to say the butler wouldn't bring it inside not knowing its a bomb. Robert Smith Vance a federal judge in Alabama was assassinated in 1989 via a mail bomb sent to his home.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:17 am

Tobleste wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I jumped the gun on calling you an ideologue. I don't know you well enough to make that statement. I'm sorry.

You're still wrong to be so certain of this mail bomber's motives, though.


It's wrong to be certain but it isn't wrong to have a strong suspicion given the targets and the type of people we're talking about here.


a little bit of inspiration for the drone bombings.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:18 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.

I asked this last time...when have these things ever actually been a false flag? How often is that actually the case? Show your work.
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Postby Deamonopolis » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:20 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.

I asked this last time...when have these things ever actually been a false flag? How often is that actually the case? Show your work.

You cannot know unless the truth comes out, but until the truth comes out, you cannot know. Which is why it continues to reside in 'conspiracy theory' territory, and hence it easily falls prey to mockery, while there's a good chance it may be a false flag operation, but we cannot know that because the very nature of false flag operations is not to become known as such. Hope this helps.

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Deamonopolis wrote:
Dunno, I just don't find them the sort of people to "lower themselves" to something as mundane as getting their mail. They probably employ a butler or serf for that kinda thing.

You make a great detective for the police department or investigator for the FBI jumping to conclusions and unfounded accusations like you do.


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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:20 am

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Kaggeceria wrote:You're right. If it was ricin then that would fit the left's MO.

William Clyde Allen has not been noted to have been left leaning in the reports that are out on him.

James Hodgkinson did, though.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:22 am

Deamonopolis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I asked this last time...when have these things ever actually been a false flag? How often is that actually the case? Show your work.

You cannot know unless the truth comes out, but until the truth comes out, you cannot know. Which is why it continues to reside in 'conspiracy theory' territory, and hence it easily falls prey to mockery, while there's a good chance it may be a false flag operation, but we cannot know that because the very nature of false flag operations is not to become known as such. Hope this helps.

San Lumen wrote: You make a great detective for the police department or investigator for the FBI jumping to conclusions and unfounded accusations like you do.


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Cludeo or Clue as its known in America is a board game not real life. You dont jump to conclusions or unfounded accusations if your a detective or investigator. There is zero evidence this a false flag. Putting the name of someone else on the bomb is an attempt to prevent it from being traced.

And even if Soros or Clinton dont get their own mail what's to say the butler wouldn't bring it inside not knowing its a bomb. Robert Smith Vance a federal judge in Alabama was assassinated in 1989 via a mail bomb sent to his home.
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Postby Page » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:22 am

Deamonopolis wrote:. . . its as if the bombs were made NOT to go off!!

And one picture of the package shows there's only like $3.50 in postage on it and isn't even postmarked. So it was probably, likely, until we know more, delivered by somebody but not the USPS. I'm putting on my tinfoil hat and call this a fake. A convenient fake at an even more convenient timing. Keeps the news cycle off the migrant walk, the Saudi-Khashoggi drama and full-on spotlights on Trump inspiring domestic terrorism, etc.


You know what I love about these conspiracy theories? The implication that the government/new world order/evildoers are simultaneously powerful and deceptive enough to stage these false flag attacks yet so stupid and incompetent they make glaring mistakes that expose them to anyone on the internet who looks closely. Like the whole "crisis actors" thing.

"Alright, we're going to stage 3 shootings this year, tell the crisis actors they're on call"

"Sir, shouldn't we use different actors for each fake shooting, cause if people see the same victim in two separate shootings they'll realize that person didn't actually die!

"That sounds like a lot of work. Just use the same actors, no one will notice!"

So in this case, the conspirators couldn't be bothered to properly postmark their bombs?

Also, why would the evil conspirators against Trump want to take the Saudi Khashogi murder out of the news? That story in the news is bad for Trump.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:You cannot know unless the truth comes out, but until the truth comes out, you cannot know. Which is why it continues to reside in 'conspiracy theory' territory, and hence it easily falls prey to mockery, while there's a good chance it may be a false flag operation, but we cannot know that because the very nature of false flag operations is not to become known as such. Hope this helps.



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Cludeo or Clue as its known in America is a board game not real life. You dont jump to conclusions or unfounded accusations if your a detective or investigator. There is zero evidence this a false flag. Putting the name of someone else on the bomb is an attempt to prevent it from being traced.

And even if Soros or Clinton dont get their own mail what's to say the butler wouldn't bring it inside not knowing its a bomb. Robert Smith Vance a federal judge in Alabama was assassinated in 1989 via a mail bomb sent to his home.


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Postby Seangoli » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:You cannot know unless the truth comes out, but until the truth comes out, you cannot know. Which is why it continues to reside in 'conspiracy theory' territory, and hence it easily falls prey to mockery, while there's a good chance it may be a false flag operation, but we cannot know that because the very nature of false flag operations is not to become known as such. Hope this helps.



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Cludeo or Clue as its known in America is a board game not real life. You dont jump to conclusions or unfounded accusations if your a detective or investigator. There is zero evidence this a false flag. Putting the name of someone else on the bomb is an attempt to prevent it from being traced.

And even if Soros or Clinton dont get their own mail what's to say the butler wouldn't bring it inside not knowing its a bomb. Robert Smith Vance a federal judge in Alabama was assassinated in 1989 via a mail bomb sent to his home.


For whay its worth, Secret Service agents apparently intercepted the Obama and Clinton bombs during routine checks on mail delivered to them.

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Postby Taliostia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:28 am

I blame Donald Trump for this.

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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:30 am

Taliostia wrote:I blame Donald Trump for this.

I blame him for running out of toilet paper.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:30 am

More mail bombs sent to left wing figures?


Geting suspicious that this might be some alt right loony.

But then again it could be anyone.

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