Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Azurius]

Well first, many people who are in the US illegally actually entered the US legally and then overstayed their Visa. Second, preventing all illegal immigration would be ridiculously expensive and require a huge number of people. It isn't worth the cost to do that.

Doesn't mean we can't try. Otherwise why even have borders?

Excessive law enforcement won´t root out the reasons for immigration, nor will it be able to stop all immigration, especially when it is constantly increasing since your president has a habbit of only making things worse and increasing immgiration globaly. And even without Trump, focusing on the symptom but not the cause is a lost war that you cannot win. You increase law enforcement --> situation gets worse --> more immigration --> you increase spending again --> at some point you will have no money to spend and be utterly ruined and powerless to stop immigration.

The more sensible and btw. also economicaly far more beneficial approach are background checks, letting in the ones with a clean record, and integrating them into the economy and workforce. Otherwise, start by rooting out the reason for immigration. And I swear to god that this won´t happen as long as you keep supporting cruel dictators in other countries for cheap oil, weapons, strategical purposes or other goods or money. Nor will cutting aid do you any favors either, it will only make matters worse.

[Neutraligon]

Doesn't mean we can't try. Otherwise why even have borders?

Excessive law enforcement won´t root out the reasons for immigration, nor will it be able to stop all immigration, especially when it is constantly increasing since your president has a habbit of only making things worse and increasing immgiration globaly. And even without Trump, focusing on the symptom but not the cause is a lost war that you cannot win. You increase law enforcement --> situation gets worse --> more immigration --> you increase spending again --> at some point you will have no money to spend and be utterly ruined and powerless to stop immigration.

The more sensible and btw. also economicaly far more beneficial approach are background checks, letting in the ones with a clean record, and integrating them into the economy and workforce. Otherwise, start by rooting out the reason for immigration. And I swear to god that this won´t happen as long as you keep supporting cruel dictators in other countries for cheap oil, weapons, strategical purposes or other goods or money. Nor will cutting aid do you any favors either, it will only make matters worse.

Another option is to increase the number of work Visas for "unskilled" labor.

[Rio Cana]

Seems the shortest route from Chiapas MX., where the Hondurans entered, to the US would be Texas. Longest route would be to California.

[Renolia]

Seems the shortest route from Chiapas MX., where the Hondurans entered, to the US would be Texas.

The following from an Honduras source shows different google maps of the routes the Hondurans can take to get to the US. Like I said, the shortest route would be to Texas while the longer route would be to California.

https://www.elheraldo.hn/minisitios/hon ... 225-471/así-sería-el-recorrido-de-la-caravana-migrante-de-hondureños-desde-chiapas

If I wanted to cross into the U.S. illegally and get the most benefit I would head towards California.

[Azurius]

Excessive law enforcement won´t root out the reasons for immigration, nor will it be able to stop all immigration, especially when it is constantly increasing since your president has a habbit of only making things worse and increasing immgiration globaly. And even without Trump, focusing on the symptom but not the cause is a lost war that you cannot win. You increase law enforcement --> situation gets worse --> more immigration --> you increase spending again --> at some point you will have no money to spend and be utterly ruined and powerless to stop immigration.

The more sensible and btw. also economicaly far more beneficial approach are background checks, letting in the ones with a clean record, and integrating them into the economy and workforce. Otherwise, start by rooting out the reason for immigration. And I swear to god that this won´t happen as long as you keep supporting cruel dictators in other countries for cheap oil, weapons, strategical purposes or other goods or money. Nor will cutting aid do you any favors either, it will only make matters worse.

Another option is to increase the number of work Visas for "unskilled" labor.

True, though that for me falls into the category of "integration into the workforce" measures.

[Liriena]

Or you could reform your immigration laws, instead of putting children in concentration camps and forcing them to defend themselves in immigration courts.

I beg your pardon? Evidence for such a statement please.

https://qz.com/1308141/are-us-immigrant ... ion-camps/
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/30/poli ... index.html

[Chernoslavia]

It's obvious I meant illegals other than the caravan.

Well first, many people who are in the US illegally actually entered the US legally and then overstayed their Visa. Second, preventing all illegal immigration would be ridiculously expensive and require a huge number of people. It isn't worth the cost to do that.

And there are also many who cross the border, should we not try and put a bit more resources to stop them? How expensive you're trying to say it is I'm not sure, it's better than a 20 billion dollar wall wouldn't you agree?

[The South Falls]

Seems the shortest route from Chiapas MX., where the Hondurans entered, to the US would be Texas.

The following from an Honduras source shows different google maps of the routes the Hondurans can take to get to the US. Like I said, the shortest route would be to Texas while the longer route would be to California.

https://www.elheraldo.hn/minisitios/hon ... 225-471/así-sería-el-recorrido-de-la-caravana-migrante-de-hondureños-desde-chiapas

If I wanted to cross into the U.S. illegally and get the most benefit I would head towards California.

But then you've got to head through multiple states or Tijuana.

[Chernoslavia]

If I wanted to cross into the U.S. illegally and get the most benefit I would head towards California.

But then you've got to head through multiple states or Tijuana.

Who'd be stopping them from going to Tijuana.

[Azurius]

Seems the shortest route from Chiapas MX., where the Hondurans entered, to the US would be Texas.

The following from an Honduras source shows different google maps of the routes the Hondurans can take to get to the US. Like I said, the shortest route would be to Texas while the longer route would be to California.

https://www.elheraldo.hn/minisitios/hon ... 225-471/así-sería-el-recorrido-de-la-caravana-migrante-de-hondureños-desde-chiapas

If I wanted to cross into the U.S. illegally and get the most benefit I would head towards California.

If I wanted illegal benefits I wouldn´t be heading towards America in the first place, nor even Germany for that matter as of lately. Destinations like Sweden or Canada would seems more lucrative or actualy, Eastern Europe.... Sure not much benefits to get there but easy as hell to scam and set up sucessfull black businesses there.

[Harelia]

Doesn't mean we can't try.

Or you could reform your immigration laws, instead of putting children in concentration camps and forcing them to defend themselves in immigration courts.

Because it's totally our fault that people are dragging their children across the border and getting caught.

I like to think our immigration laws are pretty simple and to the point. And compared to other nations we're doing a pretty darn good job. Besides, you folks didn't bat an eye when it happened under Obama. What's with the sudden outrage now?

Picky, picky...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

you folks

I really wish people would stop generalizing others.

[Chernoslavia]

Or you could reform your immigration laws, instead of putting children in concentration camps and forcing them to defend themselves in immigration courts.

Because it's totally our fault that people are dragging their children across the border and getting caught.

I like to think our immigration laws are pretty simple and to the point. And compared to other nations we're doing a pretty darn good job. Besides, you folks didn't bat an eye when it happened under Obama. What's with the sudden outrage now?

Picky, picky...

He's a phucking huite mail!

[Renolia]

I beg your pardon? Evidence for such a statement please.

https://qz.com/1308141/are-us-immigrant ... ion-camps/
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/30/poli ... index.html

Neither of those establish them as "concentration camps". Use of such a term is pretty disingenuous, especially given the perspective nearly everyone has about that term.

[Renolia]

If I wanted to cross into the U.S. illegally and get the most benefit I would head towards California.

If I wanted illegal benefits I wouldn´t be heading towards America in the first place, nor even Germany for that matter as of lately. Destinations like Sweden or Canada would seems more lucrative or actualy, Eastern Europe.... Sure not much benefits to get there but easy as hell to scam and set up sucessfull black businesses there.

I don't know how much that would cost, but in terms of money it would most likely be a lot more expensive. I think at least.

[The South Falls]

But then you've got to head through multiple states or Tijuana.

Who'd be stopping them from going to Tijuana.

The distance and water-crossings.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Just help the immigrants get citizenship. Put them on a cruise ship and/or on a plane, and on a bus, and take to America for citizenship. It's that easy. Well, the plan is easy, at least.

[Uxupox]

Who'd be stopping them from going to Tijuana.

The distance and water-crossings.

actually they are more likely to become narco slaves tbh.

[Renolia]

Who'd be stopping them from going to Tijuana.

The distance and water-crossings.

Alternatives aren't the best. Texas, Nevada, and Arizona certainly don't lay out a welcoming mat.

[The South Falls]

you folks

I really wish people would stop generalizing others.

Apparently all leftists are commies and all rightists are facscist. Making distinctions is for subhumans and class enemies.

[Liriena]

Or you could reform your immigration laws, instead of putting children in concentration camps and forcing them to defend themselves in immigration courts.

Because it's totally our fault that people are dragging their children across the border and getting caught.

"Your parents made me do this," cries the concentration camp guard as he locks literal toddlers in cages and turns a blind eye to the sexual abuse committed by his fellow guards.

Yeah, very compelling argument. Nothing childish and irresponsible about it.

I like to think our immigration laws are pretty simple and to the point.

http://static.openlawlab.com/uploads/2011/10/IMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg

Besides, you folks didn't bat an eye when it happened under Obama.

Fuck Obama and fuck your lazy, shitty ass deflection. What else have you got?

[Neutraligon]

Well first, many people who are in the US illegally actually entered the US legally and then overstayed their Visa. Second, preventing all illegal immigration would be ridiculously expensive and require a huge number of people. It isn't worth the cost to do that.

And there are also many who cross the border, should we not try and put a bit more resources to stop them? How expensive you're trying to say it is I'm not sure, it's better than a 20 billion dollar wall wouldn't you agree?

No we should not. There is no reason to waste resources like that, and while it might be better then the wall since the wall is completely useless, it is only slightly better then the wall since what you are suggesting is mostly useless. Tell me, how much are the soldiers you are planning to send down their going to get paid? How much does it cost to upkeep them for even just 1 year. And then... how are you going to deal with it when instead of crossing over land they go by sea. Or they still manage to get by the patrols. Or they smuggle in those trucks that manage to get past the checkpoints.

[Harelia]

you folks

I really wish people would stop generalizing others.

Now you know how we feel.

[Len Hyet]

Just help the immigrants get citizenship. Put them on a cruise ship and/or on a plane, and on a bus, and take to America for citizenship. It's that easy. Well, the plan is easy, at least.

... I have a feeling you do not understand the American citizenship process. The average wait time is somewhere around two years after you file the paperwork. The residency requirement is 3-5 years, so all told you're looking at 5-7 years, minimum.

[The South Falls]

The distance and water-crossings.

Alternatives aren't the best. Texas, Nevada, and Arizona certainly don't lay out a welcoming mat.

That mat is spiked.

The distance and water-crossings.

actually they are more likely to become narco slaves tbh.

That's somewhat likely.