Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Neutraligon]

Mainly in agriculture, although they also are a main part of the workforce in a few other areas.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2 ... feff27492a

How much you wanna bet those farms don't exactly advertise their employment opportunities to the American public?

Also, prisoners doing some good honest labor? Hell yea!

I mean hell, I'd be more than happy to get down in the dirt and work the fields, considering that's how I grew up. But giving inmates a means to contribute back is always a plus.

How many inmates in comparison to how many workers. As to advertising...where and how exactly do you recommend they go about doing that?

[Vassenor]

Where are all these jobs that American's turn their nose up at with such intense disdain, I wonder? Sounds like it's somewhere in Makebelieve, Oklahoma.

To assume there are jobs American's wouldn't do is just ridiculous and nonsensical. I know several people that would give their own arms to be able to work a field.

I feel like you're just trying to play at satire though with following up "Disinformation is killing USA" with actual disinformation.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that it's okay for people to come to do jobs that Americans won't do. Like voting Democrat.

Still peddling that bullshit about non-citizen voters without evidence, I see.

[Chernoslavia]

They can go to a US embassy for that.

Hmm, how many people are in that group again. I doubt the embassy could take all that many people.

What do you suppose they'll do once the majority of them get denied? They haven't traveled that far to get denied.

[Azurius]

OOF you just called me a far righter. That is AMAZING! Shall I start calling you a commie?

That would be accurate.

You make far right statements compaired with the lack of logic and facts that come from the far right, I call you a far rightist, simple as that. If you don´t wanna be adressed as one don´t act like one lmao.

[Renolia]

To imply that the cause for Germany's debt decreasing is immigrants is absurd. Look at Italy, Greece, Spain, France, or nearly any other European country. Why do we not see this same decrease? Do you think that perhaps there are other things impacting Germany's debt?

1: Lmao these countries only took in a fraction of those Germany did xD

2: Actually their economies are doing better since if you paid attention to the news, with the exception of Greece that has been fucking for over a decade now.

3: What´s the reason then? Our policies 2015 are literaly the same neo-liberal policies as since 2003 already. Our debt has been increasing for over 30 fucking years and suddenly when we accept a huge wave of immigrants in 2015 for the first time in more then half a century our debt falls like no tommorrow suddenly?

Yeah, sure, just a coincidence xD It´s not just that our debt is falling but the rate at which it is falling is actualy a small miracle in itself.

Anyway hey anyone with Honduran or Guetemalan families: Spread the word to go to Germany if you can afford... Yeah pretty racist at times etc... But seriously? You´re better off here then there lmao. And for us your workforce is better off here too, win-win ;)

So your argument boils down to "well it can't be anything else! Ignore the fact that all these other countries that accept vastly larger amount of immigrants than Germany don't have an improving debt!"

Germany has not taken in very different numbers of immigrants per capita at all.

[Neutraligon]

To imply that the cause for Germany's debt decreasing is immigrants is absurd. Look at Italy, Greece, Spain, France, or nearly any other European country. Why do we not see this same decrease? Do you think that perhaps there are other things impacting Germany's debt?

1: Lmao these countries only took in a fraction of those Germany did xD

2: Actually their economies are doing better since if you paid attention to the news, with the exception of Greece that has been fucking for over a decade now.

3: What´s the reason then? Our policies 2015 are literaly the same neo-liberal policies as since 2003 already. Our debt has been increasing for over 30 fucking years and suddenly when we accept a huge wave of immigrants in 2015 for the first time in more then half a century our debt falls like no tommorrow suddenly?

Yeah, sure, just a coincidence xD It´s not just that our debt is falling but the rate at which it is falling is actualy a small miracle in itself.

Anyway hey anyone with Honduran or Guetemalan families: Spread the word to go to Germany if you can afford... Yeah pretty racist at times etc... But seriously? You´re better off here then there lmao. And for us your workforce is better off here too, win-win

Well, one thing that might be helping is that the world is recovering from a recession.

[Valrifell]

Would be funny if they kept marching through the US to Canada.

They probably were planning on that. IIRC most people who cross illegally wind up in Canada.

[Renolia]

That would be accurate.

You make far right statements compaired with the lack of logic and facts that come from the far right, I call you a far rightist, simple as that. If you don´t wanna be adressed as one don´t act like one lmao.

What "far right statements" have I made? I simply corrected a misunderstanding you made about some guy's comment. My position on this whole issue is that we have legal processes for accepting refugees, and I want these people to go through the legal process rather than illegally cross borders. Not sure how far right that opinion is. This is the problem with Commies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Neutraligon]

Hmm, how many people are in that group again. I doubt the embassy could take all that many people.

What do you suppose they'll do once the majority of them get denied? They haven't traveled that far to get denied.

No idea, maybe try to get to Canada. Maybe try to get work VISAs, maybe try again.

[Uxupox]

To request asylum they mist first enter the US. Are you saying they should prevent people who may be seeking asylum from entering the US? AS to scaring people away with guns, how would you do that. I am pretty sure shooting at civilians to scare them away when they pose no physical danger is illegal.

Under PC the National Guard needs actual congressional authorisation to do that anyway.

no they don't. see the difference between title 10 and title 32.

[Renolia]

What do you suppose they'll do once the majority of them get denied? They haven't traveled that far to get denied.

No idea, maybe try to get to Canada. Maybe try to get work VISAs, maybe try again.

Better idea - illegally cross the border!

[Chernoslavia]

That would be accurate.

You make far right statements compaired with the lack of logic and facts that come from the far right, I call you a far rightist, simple as that. If you don´t wanna be adressed as one don´t act like one lmao.

Lol whatever flats your boat, bud. I don't care.

[Harelia]

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that it's okay for people to come to do jobs that Americans won't do. Like voting Democrat.

Still peddling that bullshit about non-citizen voters without evidence, I see.

You don't look in California's direction much, do you?

[Azurius]

1: Lmao these countries only took in a fraction of those Germany did xD

2: Actually their economies are doing better since if you paid attention to the news, with the exception of Greece that has been fucking for over a decade now.

3: What´s the reason then? Our policies 2015 are literaly the same neo-liberal policies as since 2003 already. Our debt has been increasing for over 30 fucking years and suddenly when we accept a huge wave of immigrants in 2015 for the first time in more then half a century our debt falls like no tommorrow suddenly?

Yeah, sure, just a coincidence xD It´s not just that our debt is falling but the rate at which it is falling is actualy a small miracle in itself.

Anyway hey anyone with Honduran or Guetemalan families: Spread the word to go to Germany if you can afford... Yeah pretty racist at times etc... But seriously? You´re better off here then there lmao. And for us your workforce is better off here too, win-win

So your argument boils down to "well it can't be anything else! Ignore the fact that all these other countries that accept vastly larger amount of immigrants than Germany don't have an improving debt!"

Germany has not taken in very different numbers of immigrants per capita at all.

Trying to get me into your own corner again?

1: So, your argument boils down to: "Immigrants are so expensive" and yet empirical data shows you the opposite and now you go strawmanning.

2: Hahaha^^ Okay, Germany has accepted like more then 2 million refugees since 2015, name me one country in europe that has only accepted a FIFTH of that and i´ll go eat a broomstick for you. If you paid attention to the news you would also know that especially the countries you just cited(Greece, Spain and Frace) are in fact under heavy critique by Germany and the UN for not even accepting the EU set bare minimum of immigrants rofl.

You are in fact citing the countries in Europe that took in the fewest, congratulations.

[Chernoslavia]

What do you suppose they'll do once the majority of them get denied? They haven't traveled that far to get denied.

No idea, maybe try to get to Canada. Maybe try to get work VISAs, maybe try again.

Or get in here illegally?

[Vassenor]

Still peddling that bullshit about non-citizen voters without evidence, I see.

You don't look in California's direction much, do you?

So at what point has California allowed non-citizens to vote in State or Federal Elections (and no the San Francisco school board thing is not a State or Federal Election)?

[Neutraligon]

No idea, maybe try to get to Canada. Maybe try to get work VISAs, maybe try again.

Or get in here illegally?

Also a possibility. We have people at the border to prevent this from happening.

[Harelia]

How much you wanna bet those farms don't exactly advertise their employment opportunities to the American public?

Also, prisoners doing some good honest labor? Hell yea!

I mean hell, I'd be more than happy to get down in the dirt and work the fields, considering that's how I grew up. But giving inmates a means to contribute back is always a plus.

How many inmates in comparison to how many workers. As to advertising...where and how exactly do you recommend they go about doing that?

Online.

Around here we have several local farms that advert their 'help wanted' with assistance from local job listing bureaus. But the main bulk of their advert directly to the public comes from the "community market" where they essentially just set up a stall and sell their goods, and even hang up signs on the occasion advertising help wanted. Mind you these are the much smaller farmers compared to big business farming.

[Chernoslavia]

Or get in here illegally?

Also a possibility. We have people at the border to prevent this from happening.

Not enough.

[Neutraligon]

How many inmates in comparison to how many workers. As to advertising...where and how exactly do you recommend they go about doing that?

Online.

Around here we have several local farms that advert their 'help wanted' with assistance from local job listing bureaus. But the main bulk of their advert directly to the public comes from the "community market" where they essentially just set up a stall and sell their goods, and even hang up signs on the occasion advertising help wanted. Mind you these are the much smaller farmers compared to big business farming.

And you think they did not advertise online...why?

[New haven america]

I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that it's okay for people to come to do jobs that Americans won't do. Like voting Democrat.

Still peddling that bullshit about non-citizen voters without evidence, I see.

Are you implying that they could come up with better arguments?

[Harelia]

You don't look in California's direction much, do you?

So at what point has California allowed non-citizens to vote in State or Federal Elections (and no the San Francisco school board thing is not a State or Federal Election)?

California does not require any proof of ID or citizenship at the polling stations. The ballot workers may ASK if they suspect. But only if they suspect.

[Neutraligon]

Also a possibility. We have people at the border to prevent this from happening.

Not enough.

Oh, do you have a source for this claim? Maybe some inside knowledge you would be willing to share. A statement from the people in charge who are not Trump?

[Azurius]

You make far right statements compaired with the lack of logic and facts that come from the far right, I call you a far rightist, simple as that. If you don´t wanna be adressed as one don´t act like one lmao.

What "far right statements" have I made? I simply corrected a misunderstanding you made about some guy's comment. My position on this whole issue is that we have legal processes for accepting refugees, and I want these people to go through the legal process rather than illegally cross borders. Not sure how far right that opinion is. This is the problem with Commies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1: Saying that immigration is bound with massive costs and that therefore even most costly and also borderline or outright anti-humane measures, despite empirical data if anything showing otherwise, is pretty much as far right as you can get.

You are using outright lies to justify sending off legal asylum seekers and if that´s not a far right statement in its purest form i´m santa.

2: Good then, however, your notion that immigrants drive up costs is still false and a far right statement. The vehement way you defend it only further underlines that attitude.

3: I long retired politicaly btw. However 1 thing remains: My disdain for racists and the far-right, and their vile propaganda. Well right now mostly because it´s starting to threathen our own economy and living standard negatively.

[Harelia]

Online.

Around here we have several local farms that advert their 'help wanted' with assistance from local job listing bureaus. But the main bulk of their advert directly to the public comes from the "community market" where they essentially just set up a stall and sell their goods, and even hang up signs on the occasion advertising help wanted. Mind you these are the much smaller farmers compared to big business farming.

And you think they did not advertise online...why?

Cutting corners, perhaps.