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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.

What are you talking about?

Renolia wrote:
You wot?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.

But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

Renolia wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.

But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing

Renolia wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
It's Kubumba's other account. He does this shit all the freaking time.

I figured, but the reply still doesn't make sense.

Yeah, I thought this was the first time he pulled this crap on you lol.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Renolia wrote:
But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing

Point one almost makes it seem like a sort of bribe. "We'll pay you if you don't do anything illegal". Point two may be correct, but at what point do you draw the line? If we paid for every person who wanted help we would be out of money in no time. We have our own concerns to worry about as well.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.

What are you talking about?

Renolia wrote:
You wot?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.

You switching to your two accounts every now and then.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Renolia wrote:
But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing

1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

Kanadorika wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing

1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

I just have to call you out on point 2, since Honduras is hardly "across the globe" lol. But the point still stands.

Kanadorika wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing

1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.

Balnik wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Way to miss the point, where we've explained repeatedly how they're not "illegally flooding into a country" - for one thing Mexico was processing them crossing the border like any other migrants.

"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?

This eight year old video shows how easy it is to cross the Suchiate river. This really short video shows the Suchiate river from the Mexican side. You can see the famous bridge we have mentioned in the far distance. Mostly Guatemalan store owners cross the river into Mexico in order to buy cheaper priced goods to take back and re-sell in Guatemala. In doing this they are cheating the Guatemalan tax laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8aHS7LIN0Y

Chernoslavia wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.

You switching to your two accounts every now and then.

You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something?

Neutraligon wrote:

Kanadorika wrote:
1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.

Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.

Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
You switching to your two accounts every now and then.

You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something?

I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.

Rio Cana wrote:

Balnik wrote:
"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?

This eight year old video shows how easy it is to cross the Suchiate river. This really short video shows the Suchiate river from the Mexican side. You can see the famous bridge we have mentioned in the far distance. Mostly Guatemalan store owners cross the river into Mexico in order to buy cheaper priced goods to take back and re-sell in Guatemala. In doing this they are cheating the Guatemalan tax laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8aHS7LIN0Y

Cool trivia

Chernoslavia wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something? :p

I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.

"No switching accounts mid-conversation to continue it... Doing so upsets Chernoslavia" Punishment: Lifetime IP ban.

Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

Neutraligon wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?

Help out the border patrol to stop them from illegally migrating, scare them away with their guns.

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

You notice the US is one of the most stable nations on earth, right?

This is where the right gets their idea of 100% of the left.

Renolia wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.

But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

If they pax taxes, work in low income jobs and stimulate the economy, balance out the unhealthy ageing of your nation... Tell me please: How exactly are you paying for them? Seems more that they are paying you and your economy for the privilige to live and work there.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Neutraligon wrote:Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?

Help out the border patrol to stop them from illegally migrating, scare them away with their guns.

To request asylum they mist first enter the US. Are you saying they should prevent people who may be seeking asylum from entering the US? AS to scaring people away with guns, how would you do that. I am pretty sure shooting at civilians to scare them away when they pose no physical danger is illegal.

Renolia wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.

"No switching accounts mid-conversation to continue it... Doing so upsets Chernoslavia" Punishment: Lifetime IP ban.

Yesh! Punish them all.

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

I mean, the Caravan’s going from Honduras to the US through Mexico...

Neutraligon wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?

Sorting out the criminals, letting the decent people in and letting them work etc. actually rakes in revenue.

If not gee, I guess Germanies debts ought to have skyrocketed since 2015 since we´re letting lots of em in... Wait what? Oh, seems our debts are in a skyfall since 2015. But surely, our debt is falling because immigrants cost oh so much

Would be funny if they kept marching through the US to Canada.

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

Where are all these jobs that American's turn their nose up at with such intense disdain, I wonder? Sounds like it's somewhere in Makebelieve, Oklahoma.

To assume there are jobs American's wouldn't do is just ridiculous and nonsensical. I know several people that would give their own arms to be able to work a field.

I feel like you're just trying to play at satire though with following up "Disinformation is killing USA" with actual disinformation.