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What should be done when it comes to the Hondurans heading toward the US

Let them into the US
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Do not let any of them into the US
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Its Mexico's problem so let them handle it
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11%
US needs to liberate Honduras
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Not Sure
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Balnik wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Do you have a reason for stereotyping people?

Everyone has a reason for their actions.

Ok then. State yours.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Balnik wrote:At that point the intentions of the group must be considered rather than the individual if they are to devolve to the point of border jumping.


Says the person using the actions of individuals to demonise the group.

The intention of the group is to legally cross the border.


Says me.

The actions have shown otherwise.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Balnik wrote:Everyone has a reason for their actions.

Ok then. State yours.

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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:42 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Says the person using the actions of individuals to demonise the group.

The intention of the group is to legally cross the border.


Says me.

The actions have shown otherwise.


And there you go again, using the actions of individuals to demonise the group.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:43 pm

Latest news is that that early Monday there were only 400 Hondurans left on the Mexican-Guatemalan bridge. Seems the majority of those others on the bridge found other ways to get illegally into Mexico. In order to spare the 400 Hondurans still on the bridge from the bad weather (they were also in need of supplies) the Mexican government decide to get there immigration service to process each of those 400. Has these people went into Mexico they shouted back "Thanks Guatemala". The crowd of Honduran had been stuck on that bridge since Friday.

In other news, on Sunday 21, another thousand people left Honduras on there way to the US. The US VP. says this is all financed by Venezuela. He supposedly got this information from the Pres. of Honduras. This same Honduran Pres. is said to have stolen the elections of 2017.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:43 pm

Balnik wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Ok then. State yours.

Can I pass?

Yes, but you'll be seen as someone who irrationally stereotypes people for no real reason.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:44 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Balnik wrote:Can I pass?

Yes, but you'll be seen as someone who irrationally stereotypes people for no real reason.

Sounds good.
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:44 pm

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Renolia wrote:
My opinion is that any amount of violence at the border is bad. Even if it is the minority, such a thing a wrong and will only serve to escalate the situation. If they truly wanted to enter as refugees, they would go through the legal process. I am not assuming everyone there is violent, however there is clearly at the very least a decently sized element of this group that is violent and willing to break laws to get what they want. People getting on rafts to circumvent checkpoints, people rushing checkpoints to topple barricades and get by, these are all people that are causing many people to have bad impressions on this group, and there is no reason for us to assume that these same people will not attempt such action at the U.S. border.


So at what point does that make it logical to turn them all away?


I'm not saying it's logical to turn them all away - I believe that it is entirely reasonable for border security to be supplemented by the national guard when this group approaches the U.S. border, because we have seen these dangerous elements. I have stated multiple times that if people want to enter legally they can feel free to go through the process and I will voice no objections.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:45 pm

Balnik wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes, but you'll be seen as someone who irrationally stereotypes people for no real reason.

Sounds good.

Are you reading what I typed? Or do you not care?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Balnik wrote:
Says me.

The actions have shown otherwise.


And there you go again, using the actions of individuals to demonise the group.

Hey. If the group behaves at the border then you can have the last laugh, but until we see it I have no reason to suspend my suspicions.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:45 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Balnik wrote:Can I pass?

Yes, but you'll be seen as someone who irrationally stereotypes people for no real reason.


Not irrationally no and not for no reason.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:45 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Actual Footage


Thanks for the laugh friend :)

Why not a good laugh? :-)
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:45 pm

Forgot to post this:
Uxupox wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?


that's money that people don't have.

I mean that Mèxico, the US or an organization could pay for it.
Chernoslavia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?


How about no.

Helping and saving lives sounds better.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:46 pm

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:46 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes, but you'll be seen as someone who irrationally stereotypes people for no real reason.


Not irrationally no and not for no reason.

Then what's your reason for stereotyping socdems and liberals?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:46 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Balnik wrote:Sounds good.

Are you reading what I typed? Or do you not care?

Not really.
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Forgot to post this:
Uxupox wrote:
that's money that people don't have.

I mean that Mèxico, the US or an organization could pay for it.
Chernoslavia wrote:
How about no.

Helping and saving lives sounds better.


Why would the U.S. or Mexico have an obligation to pay for transportation for all these people to go to Europe?

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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:48 pm

Balnik wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Are you reading what I typed? Or do you not care?

Not really.


At least you're honest?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:48 pm

Renolia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Forgot to post this:

I mean that Mèxico, the US or an organization could pay for it.

Helping and saving lives sounds better.


Why would the U.S. or Mexico have an obligation to pay for transportation for all these people to go to Europe?

I meant to pay to get to the US.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:49 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Renolia wrote:
Why would the U.S. or Mexico have an obligation to pay for transportation for all these people to go to Europe?

I meant to pay to get to the US.


Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:49 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Renolia wrote:
Why would the U.S. or Mexico have an obligation to pay for transportation for all these people to go to Europe?

I meant to pay to get to the US.


You wot?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:50 pm

Renolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I meant to pay to get to the US.


You wot?


It's Kubumba's other account. He does this shit all the freaking time.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:51 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Renolia wrote:
You wot?


It's Kubumba's other account. He does this shit all the freaking time.


I figured, but the reply still doesn't make sense.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:52 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I meant to pay to get to the US.


Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.

What are you talking about?
Renolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I meant to pay to get to the US.


You wot?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.
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