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What should be done when it comes to the Hondurans heading toward the US

Let them into the US
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Do not let any of them into the US
263
42%
Its Mexico's problem so let them handle it
65
11%
US needs to liberate Honduras
71
11%
Not Sure
32
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:33 am

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So because a handful of people did something stupid they all need to be gassed?


If someone illegally breaks into a hotel and you follow them in, are you not held accountable as an accessory as well?


So even though the vast majority of them weren't trying to "follow them in", they all need to be gassed accessories?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:34 am

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Ifreann wrote:They need to be in the US to claim asylum, so people trying to cross the border really do seem like the want asylum.

And I don't know why people are trying to say there was a riot. Well, no, that's not true, I do know.

Umm, yes, there was a riot. they surrounded the riot police, throwing things above their heads, i would call that a riot.

Tell me more about how the migrants surrounded CBP agents from the far side of a fence that they didn't get past. It sounds physically impossible.
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Postby Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If someone illegally breaks into a hotel and you follow them in, are you not held accountable as an accessory as well?


So even though the vast majority of them weren't trying to "follow them in", they all need to be gassed accessories?

if they were next to the border when they were breaking in, they got tear gassed, do you seriously expect the border control officers not to gas the people breaking in just because there are a few people standing around the people breaking in?
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Postby Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:40 am

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South Ccanda wrote:Umm, yes, there was a riot. they surrounded the riot police, throwing things above their heads, i would call that a riot.

Tell me more about how the migrants surrounded CBP agents from the far side of a fence that they didn't get past. It sounds physically impossible.
considering the very limited resources i have for video evidence, this cnn clip is all i have.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... -politics/

action happens at 36 seconds
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If someone illegally breaks into a hotel and you follow them in, are you not held accountable as an accessory as well?


So even though the vast majority of them weren't trying to "follow them in", they all need to be gassed accessories?


Perhaps you should try responding to what I'm actually saying, and not to what you want me to be saying.

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Ifreann wrote:Tell me more about how the migrants surrounded CBP agents from the far side of a fence that they didn't get past. It sounds physically impossible.
considering the very limited resources i have for video evidence, this cnn clip is all i have.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... -politics/

action happens at 36 seconds



To be fair, correct me if I'm wrong, but those appear to be Mexican Federal Police being overwhelmed in the above clip and not the CBP.
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Postby Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:54 am

yes, it does seem to be mexican police, but never-the-less, whether they are or not, they are riot control officers being surrounded in a riot.

also i never said they were CBP
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:19 am

Ccanda wrote:yes, it does seem to be mexican police, but never-the-less, whether they are or not, they are riot control officers being surrounded in a riot.

also i never said they were CBP


CBP is the ones that did the gassing though.
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Postby Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:23 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ccanda wrote:yes, it does seem to be mexican police, but never-the-less, whether they are or not, they are riot control officers being surrounded in a riot.

also i never said they were CBP


CBP is the ones that did the gassing though.

Yes, because there was a riot. whats your point?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:28 am

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Ccanda wrote:yes, it does seem to be mexican police, but never-the-less, whether they are or not, they are riot control officers being surrounded in a riot.

also i never said they were CBP


CBP is the ones that did the gassing though.


Pretty sure nobody is denying that.....

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:33 am

Ccanda wrote:
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CBP is the ones that did the gassing though.

Yes, because there was a riot. whats your point?


Well outside of their jurisdiction.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ccanda wrote:Yes, because there was a riot. whats your point?


Well outside of their jurisdiction.

all these events occured near the border. i used the mexican police as an example of how they were violent and had violent intentions. they deserved to get gassed when they started swarming the border.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ccanda wrote:Yes, because there was a riot. whats your point?


Well outside of their jurisdiction.


Actually, gas was deployed on the US side, and the wind carried it over to the Mexican side in the video that I saw. Which means that it was inside their "jurisdiction" to deploy. However, Mexico might have a case for unintentional contamination (or whatever it called) for it drifting, though I don't think it will go far for the lasting environmental impact is practically zero.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:47 am

South Ccanda wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Well outside of their jurisdiction.

all these events occured near the border. i used the mexican police as an example of how they were violent and had violent intentions. they deserved to get gassed when they started swarming the border.


So once again because a handful of people did a thing they all deserved to be gassed, whether involved or not?
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:all these events occured near the border. i used the mexican police as an example of how they were violent and had violent intentions. they deserved to get gassed when they started swarming the border.


So once again because a handful of people did a thing they all deserved to be gassed, whether involved or not?

so once again, calling them a "handful of people" is a giant understatement.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:54 am

South Ccanda wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So once again because a handful of people did a thing they all deserved to be gassed, whether involved or not?

so once again, calling them a "handful of people" is a giant understatement.


I'm not the one trying to defend using chemical weapons on children.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:57 am

Ccanda wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Tell me more about how the migrants surrounded CBP agents from the far side of a fence that they didn't get past. It sounds physically impossible.
considering the very limited resources i have for video evidence, this cnn clip is all i have.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... -politics/

action happens at 36 seconds

That's not a riot, and I don't see any evidence of violence.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:so once again, calling them a "handful of people" is a giant understatement.


I'm not the one trying to defend using chemical weapons on children.

Neither am I, if you had actually read what i said earlier. "I do not condone the gassing of children, but i do not blame the officers, they were being rushed"

Its unfortunate that children were involved, but worse things could have happened. they could have pulled out beanbag guns and pelting people with those, or even worse, shooting with real guns. there are innocent bystanders in every riot, that doesn't mean you can discredit the whole riot.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:so once again, calling them a "handful of people" is a giant understatement.


I'm not the one trying to defend using chemical weapons on children.


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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ccanda wrote:considering the very limited resources i have for video evidence, this cnn clip is all i have.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... -politics/

action happens at 36 seconds

That's not a riot, and I don't see any evidence of violence.

not every ting was shown, but the reporter states that rocks were indeed thrown at the officers. also they were actively pushing the police officers.
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I've been drowning myself in work, I just started Culinary School, and I recently got called a Boot Licker for thanking a veteran for their service. I'm sad that I have to witness the part of history where supporting Cops and Troops is seen and a radical ideology.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:02 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm not the one trying to defend using chemical weapons on children.


Be a lot cooler if you did.

no, it wouldnt
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:02 am

South Ccanda wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's not a riot, and I don't see any evidence of violence.

not every ting was shown, but the reporter states that rocks were indeed thrown at the officers. also they were actively pushing the police officers.

Trying to get by police officers isn't a riot.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:03 am

South Ccanda wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's not a riot, and I don't see any evidence of violence.

not every ting was shown, but the reporter states that rocks were indeed thrown at the officers. also they were actively pushing the police officers.


Oh, so the stuff that proves you right was conveniently just out of shot so we just have to take your word for it.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:not every ting was shown, but the reporter states that rocks were indeed thrown at the officers. also they were actively pushing the police officers.

Trying to get by police officers isn't a riot.
may i ask how you would define a riot, in your own words, of course.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:09 am

South Ccanda wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Trying to get by police officers isn't a riot.

may i ask how you would define a riot, in your own words, of course.

May I ask the same of you?

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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:15 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:may i ask how you would define a riot, in your own words, of course.

May I ask the same of you?

I define a riot as any crowd of 10 or more people who use any means of violence (example: Pushing, shoving, fighting, throwing things, etc.) during any kind of protest.
I am Center-Left Libertarian. (-3,-3) on the Political Compass. My friends call me Whiskey cause I was named after a bottle of Jack Daniel's.

I've been drowning myself in work, I just started Culinary School, and I recently got called a Boot Licker for thanking a veteran for their service. I'm sad that I have to witness the part of history where supporting Cops and Troops is seen and a radical ideology.
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