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What should be done when it comes to the Hondurans heading toward the US

Let them into the US
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30%
Do not let any of them into the US
263
42%
Its Mexico's problem so let them handle it
65
11%
US needs to liberate Honduras
71
11%
Not Sure
32
5%
 
Total votes : 619

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Postby Novus America » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The Border Patrol using tear gas to break up a riot is not “Republicans tear gassing children”.

They did, however, tear gas children. And IIRC, using chemical weapons is a war crime. Says a lot about the state of human rights and the complacency towards authoritarianism in the United States that a bunch of you fully endorse this.


It is a war crime to use it in war. It is not a crime to use it for law enforcement.
They are very different things.

It was targeted against those attacking the fence.
The question here is why parents thought it a good idea to take children along through a giant open sewer.

If you bring you kids to a riot, it is on you.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:14 pm

Frostnia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:A Jew advocating for people getting gassed. Ironic.

You should probably read his sig

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:I love the smell of tear gas in the morning.

Attacking children with chemical weapons. Very healthy stuff to love. Very moral, very level-headed.

The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Attacking children with chemical weapons. Very healthy stuff to love. Very moral, very level-headed.

The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.

"It's okay to gas children as long as you weren't aiming for them."
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Attacking children with chemical weapons. Very healthy stuff to love. Very moral, very level-headed.

The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.



That is not an excuse. The gas shouldn't have been used in the first place. This nation is getting too close to Syria in its actions.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:20 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.

"It's okay to gas children as long as you weren't aiming for them."

Care to explain what you would have done to deter the rioters?
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:23 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Novus America wrote:And under US law they have that right. Unless US law is changed we have to enforce the law.


This is an opinion not a fact. Laws don't have to be enforced, especially if they are incredibly stupid.



I'll remember that the next time you complain about Democrats not enforcing immigration law
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:23 pm

Novus America wrote:
Liriena wrote:They did, however, tear gas children. And IIRC, using chemical weapons is a war crime. Says a lot about the state of human rights and the complacency towards authoritarianism in the United States that a bunch of you fully endorse this.


It is a war crime to use it in war. It is not a crime to use it for law enforcement.
They are very different things.

And that doesn't concern you?

"Hey, you can't use this shit against soldiers in a war zone... but against unarmed civilians and at the hands of less trained people? Hell yeah dude!"

Novus America wrote:It was targeted against those attacking the fence.

Using chemical weapons against people for attacking an inanimate object?

Novus America wrote:The question here is why parents thought it a good idea to take children along through a giant open sewer.

Because they are desperate?

Novus America wrote:If you bring you kids to a riot, it is on you.

Fuck that shit. If any of those kids suffer because of the chemical weapons you chose to use, that's on you. If a kid dies, that's on you. The parents may have been reckless, but the ones with the weapons and the ones who took the shot were you.

This is the same cowardly bullshit your government tried to pull when they put children in concentration camps.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:25 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Novus America wrote:And under US law they have that right. Unless US law is changed we have to enforce the law.


This is an opinion not a fact. Laws don't have to be enforced, especially if they are incredibly stupid.

Hell yeah dude!
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
It is if you use chemical weapons on soldiers. There's no international law regarding the use of tear gas by civilian agencies, hence why police and other security forces often employ tear gas to disperse crowds.

[ACAB intensifies]


Those who fired the tear gas weren't police, but law enforcement officers with the United States Customs and Border Patrol. But don't let that get in the way of hyperbole.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:26 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Attacking children with chemical weapons. Very healthy stuff to love. Very moral, very level-headed.

The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.

Children got hurt with American chemical weapons. Whether it was "deliberate" or not doesn't change the fact that it happened.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:26 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.



That is not an excuse. The gas shouldn't have been used in the first place. This nation is getting too close to Syria in its actions.

Tear gas is standard in riot control. There wasn't any reason not to use it.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:27 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Liriena wrote:[ACAB intensifies]


Those who fired the tear gas weren't police, but law enforcement officers with the United States Customs and Border Patrol. But don't let that get in the way of hyperbole.

[ACBPAB intensifies]
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:28 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The children weren't deliberately targeted. The tear gas was meant for lawbreakers.

Children got hurt with American chemical weapons. Whether it was "deliberate" or not doesn't change the fact that it happened.

So?
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

That is not an excuse. The gas shouldn't have been used in the first place. This nation is getting too close to Syria in its actions.

Tear gas is standard in riot control. There wasn't any reason not to use it.



It wasn't a riot, there were kids around and peacefull attempts need to be made. This was a humanitarian crisis, Trump ordered the attack of unarmed migrants. There was no need to use it, stop defending the indefensible
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The Border Patrol using tear gas to break up a riot is not “Republicans tear gassing children”.

They did, however, tear gas children. And IIRC, using chemical weapons is a war crime. Says a lot about the state of human rights and the complacency towards authoritarianism in the United States that a bunch of you fully endorse this.

The state of human rights in almost every country in the world, unfortunately, is a wreck. International law does nothing.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

That is not an excuse. The gas shouldn't have been used in the first place. This nation is getting too close to Syria in its actions.

Tear gas is standard in riot control. There wasn't any reason not to use it.


Were the canisters fired into Mexico?

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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Children got hurt with American chemical weapons. Whether it was "deliberate" or not doesn't change the fact that it happened.

So?

They shouldn't have used tear gas, and in an ideal world, the officers who did would get the Nuremberg treatment, along with the entire American anti-immigrant apparatus. Mind you, I was already there when children got put in concentration camps where many were sexually abused and at least one of them died.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:33 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Tear gas is standard in riot control. There wasn't any reason not to use it.



It wasn't a riot, there were kids around and peacefull attempts need to be made. This was a humanitarian crisis, Trump ordered the attack of unarmed migrants. There was no need to use it, stop defending the indefensible

They could have sent case workers to streamline and simplify this mess... but nooooooo, the bootlicking xenophobes needed to be pandered to with a grand display of escalation and brutality. Because otherwise how are grifters in the media and the political system supposed to sell some fresh paranoia and resentment?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:34 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Tear gas is standard in riot control. There wasn't any reason not to use it.



It wasn't a riot, there were kids around and peacefull attempts need to be made. This was a humanitarian crisis, Trump ordered the attack of unarmed migrants. There was no need to use it, stop defending the indefensible

What do you call the act of tearing down a border fence and trying to swarm in? What do you call the act of throwing rocks at patrol agents?
Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:So?

They shouldn't have used tear gas, and in an ideal world, the officers who did would get the Nuremberg treatment, along with the entire American anti-immigrant apparatus. Mind you, I was already there when children got put in concentration camps where many were sexually abused and at least one of them died.

"Anyone who tries to defend the border should get hanged!"
This is lunacy.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:They shouldn't have used tear gas, and in an ideal world, the officers who did would get the Nuremberg treatment, along with the entire American anti-immigrant apparatus. Mind you, I was already there when children got put in concentration camps where many were sexually abused and at least one of them died.

"Anyone who tries to defend the border should get hanged!"
This is lunacy.

Oh, no, I still draw the line at capital punishment, regardless of the crime. ;)
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Postby Liriena » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:What do you call the act of tearing down a border fence and trying to swarm in? What do you call the act of throwing rocks at patrol agents?

Oh noooooo! Not throwing rocks! That stuff is scary! :^(
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Postby Loben » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:39 pm

Irc tear gas is legal.

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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novus America wrote:
The Border Patrol using tear gas to break up a riot is not “Republicans tear gassing children”.

They did, however, tear gas children. And IIRC, using chemical weapons is a war crime. Says a lot about the state of human rights and the complacency towards authoritarianism in the United States that a bunch of you fully endorse this.

Tear gas isn't a chemical weapon. It's literally just water and pepper.

Also
>try to bum rush the border
>get tear gassed

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:What do you call the act of tearing down a border fence and trying to swarm in? What do you call the act of throwing rocks at patrol agents?

Oh noooooo! Not throwing rocks! That stuff is scary! :^(

"No one has ever been injured or killed by thrown rocks!"
Right.
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