Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Ifreann]

Open the border crossings and let them in, then you won't need to gas children.

The border crossing is open. But it has lines.
You have to wait in line.

The border crossing was closed.

[Loben]

The border crossing is open. But it has lines.
You have to wait in line.

The border crossing was closed.

Gee, wonder why.

[Tobleste]

You can take care of your own citizens. Your government simply refuses to do so.

Refuses? Do you know how much goes into our welfare program? about 235 billion US Dollars. thats quite a bit. they don't refuse to help our citizens, they just don't know how. We need a serious reform in the welfare program before we just let in a whole caravan of people.

*EDIT* We spend 462 billion US Dollars on welfare.

The extreme rates of poverty in the US are down to the choices of American society. More or less immigrants won't change that.

[Ifreann]

The border crossing was closed.

Gee, wonder why.

Because Trump knows his supporters hate foreigners.

[Novus America]

The border crossing is open. But it has lines.
You have to wait in line.

The border crossing was closed.

It was closed for short period of time to deal with the disturbance. It is open again now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... t-clashes/

[Loben]

Gee, wonder why.

Because Trump knows his supporters hate foreigners.

Or maybe a bunch of bastards tried storming a crossing.

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You can take care of your own citizens. Your government simply refuses to do so.

Refuses? Do you know how much goes into our welfare program? about 235 billion US Dollars. thats quite a bit. they don't refuse to help our citizens, they just don't know how. We need a serious reform in the welfare program before we just let in a whole caravan of people.

*EDIT* We spend 462 billion US Dollars on welfare.

The US government has burnt through trillions of dollars on waging wars of aggression all over the Middle East, billions on arming Saudi Arabia to assist in their genocide in Yemen, billions on corporate welfare and bailouts for the rich.

That welfare figure? A drop in the bucket.

[Ifreann]

The border crossing was closed.

It was closed for short period of time to deal with the disturbance. It is open again now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... t-clashes/

Yes, it was closed then, when people were trying to cross.

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Because Trump knows his supporters hate foreigners.

Or maybe a bunch of bastards tried storming a crossing.

No, I'm pretty sure it's my one.

[Tobleste]

Refuses? Do you know how much goes into our welfare program? about 235 billion US Dollars. thats quite a bit. they don't refuse to help our citizens, they just don't know how. We need a serious reform in the welfare program before we just let in a whole caravan of people.

*EDIT* We spend 462 billion US Dollars on welfare.

The US government has burnt through trillions of dollars on waging wars of aggression all over the Middle East, billions on arming Saudi Arabia to assist in their genocide in Yemen, billions on corporate welfare and bailouts for the rich.

That welfare figure? A drop in the bucket.

Plus the tax cut. Poverty exists to the extent it does in the US because many voters don't care about it or are woefully misinformed.

[Novus America]

It was closed for short period of time to deal with the disturbance. It is open again now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnew ... t-clashes/

Yes, it was closed then, when people were trying to cross.

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Or maybe a bunch of bastards tried storming a crossing.

No, I'm pretty sure it's my one.

It was closed BECAUSE of the people trying to storm it. Ironically they just made things worse for themselves.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Guatemala and Mexico should never have allowed illegal persons to cross their borders illegally. When I went to visit Canada at Niagara Falls with family members, two family members in our group did not have the legal papers required to enter Canada legally, and had to stay on the US side of the border, a true story.

When I went to visit the Dominican Republic with family, I wanted to take my cousin with us, who recently emigrated to the USA legally from Cuba, but I could not because he did not have the legal papers to enter the Dominican Republic legally. All nations have legal and illegal immigration laws. I have been to Puerto Plata twice and Punta Cana once.

[South Ccanda]

Refuses? Do you know how much goes into our welfare program? about 235 billion US Dollars. thats quite a bit. they don't refuse to help our citizens, they just don't know how. We need a serious reform in the welfare program before we just let in a whole caravan of people.

*EDIT* We spend 462 billion US Dollars on welfare.

The US government has burnt through trillions of dollars on waging wars of aggression all over the Middle East, billions on arming Saudi Arabia to assist in their genocide in Yemen, billions on corporate welfare and bailouts for the rich.

That welfare figure? A drop in the bucket.

Giving people food and home is way different than funding a war. Giving poor people housing and food costs way less than it does to do all that. But, the fact that you didn't argue that we don't refuse to help our citizens means you must agree, right? Thus we need to work on welfare reform before we overload it.

[Tobleste]

The US government has burnt through trillions of dollars on waging wars of aggression all over the Middle East, billions on arming Saudi Arabia to assist in their genocide in Yemen, billions on corporate welfare and bailouts for the rich.

That welfare figure? A drop in the bucket.

Giving people food and home is way different than funding a war. Giving poor people housing and food costs way less than it does to do all that. But, the fact that you didn't argue that we don't refuse to help our citizens means you must agree, right? Thus we need to work on welfare reform before we overload it.

There's space between the ideal welfare system and doing nothing. Just because America spends money on welfare, doesn't mean it's enough.

[South Ccanda]

Giving people food and home is way different than funding a war. Giving poor people housing and food costs way less than it does to do all that. But, the fact that you didn't argue that we don't refuse to help our citizens means you must agree, right? Thus we need to work on welfare reform before we overload it.

There's space between the ideal welfare system and doing nothing. Just because America spends money on welfare, doesn't mean it's enough.

Thats...sorta what mean. Although we spend billions on welfare programs, they just aren't doing enough with their funding. Considering how much we spend on it, its weird that not enough people are getting the help they need. its like the money is being misplaced...

[Novus America]

Giving people food and home is way different than funding a war. Giving poor people housing and food costs way less than it does to do all that. But, the fact that you didn't argue that we don't refuse to help our citizens means you must agree, right? Thus we need to work on welfare reform before we overload it.

There's space between the ideal welfare system and doing nothing. Just because America spends money on welfare, doesn't mean it's enough.

Well it is more inefficient spending then lack of money. How you spend money is just as important as how much you spend, but US welfare is not the topic.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too,

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ob ... ORM=WRVORC

[Vassenor]

I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too,

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ob ... ORM=WRVORC

BUT OBAMA is not really a good argument.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too,

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ob ... ORM=WRVORC

BUT OBAMA is not really a good argument.

lol, it I an excellent related argument, it shows other US Presidents have done it too, it is related to the thread and does contribute to the thread.

[Vassenor]

BUT OBAMA is not really a good argument.

lol, it I an excellent related argument, it shows other US Presidents have done it too, it is related to the thread and does contribute to the thread.

"Obama did it so that makes it right" is not a good argument.

[Tobleste]

I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too,

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ob ... ORM=WRVORC

I think using (necessary) violence to enforce the law is justifiable. The problem is that Trump does it with relish and out of hatred and his supporters love him for that.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Enhance the current closed borders with national guard and voluntary citizen militias. Hasten the wall building and add cameras.

Continue tear gassing the shit out of them until they disperse or stop being violent.

You want America to become a pariah state? Cuz that’s how you turn America into a pariah state real quick. That’s also how you tear your domestic opinion to shreds.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

lol, it I an excellent related argument, it shows other US Presidents have done it too, it is related to the thread and does contribute to the thread.

"Obama did it so that makes it right" is not a good argument.

lol, Vassenor I knew you were going to come up with that one, it is called language semantics, we all have to be careful how we state things on NS including myself." I said. I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too"

All I am doing is pointing out Obama did it too.

[Vassenor]

"Obama did it so that makes it right" is not a good argument.

lol, Vassenor I knew you were going to come up with that one, ist is called language semantics, we all have to be careful how we state things on NS including myself." I said. I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too"

All I am doing is pointing out Obama did it too.

And what does pointing out Obama did it too actually accomplish in this discussion? What actual relevance does it have to the matter at hand?

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

lol, Vassenor I knew you were going to come up with that one, ist is called language semantics, we all have to be careful how we state things on NS including myself." I said. I don't support using violence against the potential migrants and illegal persons, but according to this link and other news sources I have read Obama did it too"

All I am doing is pointing out Obama did it too.

And what does pointing out Obama did it too actually accomplish in this discussion? What actual relevance does it have to the matter at hand?

It shows that other Presidents have felt a need to do it too, I wonder how other future Democrat Presidents would deal with an organized or semi organized Caravan of thousands of persons trying to cross the border, will they just let them all in, I think not. Will they use certain methods to try to not let them in, I think so. Future Democrat Presidents and future Republican Presidents.

[Vassenor]

And what does pointing out Obama did it too actually accomplish in this discussion? What actual relevance does it have to the matter at hand?

It shows that other Presidents have felt a need to do it too, I wonder how other future Democrat Presidents would deal with an organized or semi organized Caravan of thousands of persons trying to cross the border, will they just let them all in, I think not. Will they use certain methods to try to not let them in, I think so. Future Democrat Presidents and future Republican Presidents.

Yes, but what does that actually contribute to the discussion? Like I said, just popping up to say "but X did Y too!" doesn't really work as an argument so much as a deflection.