Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[NS Miami Shores]

lol, It is not that they want illegals to vote, they want to make them citizens who will then vote for them because they offer them social programs.

Prove it.

lol, nice try Vassenor, Nancy Pelosy supports sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, these are legal citizens she says lol,

Do you really think she is just that nice without political motives, I sure as Heck dont.

CNN Video source:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... es-sot.cnn

[NS Miami Shores]

Granted, good so far, anti illegal immigration, at least I applied, met the requirements and waited my turn in that hell hole of Cuba I call a dictatorship for life and beyond revolution, many democrats and leftists support and excuse, including Republican Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, but that is their democratic right to do so and their democratic right to post it on any political site.

True story, Monday oct 22 2018, I met a Honduran acquaintance of mine, we did not talk much, but he did say he is against the Caravan, and he emigrated legally like I did, I will probably meet him again about two weeks from now, I am going to ask him more about Honduras, if this thread is still opened by then Ill give a general report of his views on Honduras and the Caravan.

A word on this: had it been the case that applying for US citizenship weren't so fraught for you and other hopefuls -- if it were far easier than than was the case for you -- how would your views on immigration change?

Sorry to have to say this to you, but my views on anti illegal immigration would not change if it had been easier for me to apply, as I keep saying legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is that easy and it really is that easy to understand.

We dont need The Great Wall of Trump, we need a real zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, Democrats in Congress should be helping Republicans on it not opposing them on it.

I will ask my Honduran acquaintence of his views on the Honduran Caravan and Honduras when I see him about two weeks from now and I will report on his views on this site if it is still opened, I really think I will meet him again in about two weeks from now.

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Prove it.

lol, nice try Vassenor, Nancy Pelosy supports sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, these are legal citizens she says lol,

Do you really think she is just that nice without political motives, I sure as Heck dont.

CNN Video source:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... es-sot.cnn

Undocumented people living in sanctuary cities don't get to vote. All that sanctuary city means is that local law enforcement declines to snitch to ICE on undocumented people for things like unpaid parking tickets or a gram of weed in their pocket. And sanctuary cities do still turn over those who commit felonies.

[Trumptonium1]

Send the military to the southern border and financially sanction MEX/GUA/ELS/HON for failing to prevent mass illegal immigration. What Britain should have done to France a long time ago.

It is mass emigration/seeking asylum in more developed areas.

I am aware. I am saying it's wrong.

[Harelia]

lol, nice try Vassenor, Nancy Pelosy supports sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, these are legal citizens she says lol,

Do you really think she is just that nice without political motives, I sure as Heck dont.

CNN Video source:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/201 ... es-sot.cnn

Undocumented people living in sanctuary cities don't get to vote. All that sanctuary city means is that local law enforcement declines to snitch to ICE on undocumented people for things like unpaid parking tickets or a gram of weed in their pocket. And sanctuary cities do still turn over those who commit felonies.

But they've already committed a felony and yet the Sanctuary cities still let them stay?

[Arouran]

Dont let them through.

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

....send them back if they come here,I have watched the video and they are not looking oppressed,poor.The American taxpayer is paying for enough damn illegals who just come here to get free welfare,housing,food,medical while we have a homeless problem with out vets, citizens who are here legally.Im so sick of illegal people taking advantage of the our taxpayers while Americans suffer...Send Them Back!!!!

[Vassenor]

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

....send them back if they come here,I have watched the video and they are not looking oppressed,poor.The American taxpayer is paying for enough damn illegals who just come here to get free welfare,housing,food,medical while we have a homeless problem with out vets, citizens who are here legally.Im so sick of illegal people taking advantage of the our taxpayers while Americans suffer...Send Them Back!!!!

Oh please. Like the GOP actually cares about veterans beyond using them as a stick to attack people they see as insufficiently patriotic.

[NS Miami Shores]

....send them back if they come here,I have watched the video and they are not looking oppressed,poor.The American taxpayer is paying for enough damn illegals who just come here to get free welfare,housing,food,medical while we have a homeless problem with out vets, citizens who are here legally.Im so sick of illegal people taking advantage of the our taxpayers while Americans suffer...Send Them Back!!!!

Oh please. Like the GOP actually cares about veterans beyond using them as a stick to attack people they see as insufficiently patriotic.

Oh please, like the Democrats really care about illegal immigrants, lol.

[Valrifell]

Undocumented people living in sanctuary cities don't get to vote. All that sanctuary city means is that local law enforcement declines to snitch to ICE on undocumented people for things like unpaid parking tickets or a gram of weed in their pocket. And sanctuary cities do still turn over those who commit felonies.

But they've already committed a felony and yet the Sanctuary cities still let them stay?

Illegal border crossings are one of the farthest things away from a felony.

[Harelia]

But they've already committed a felony and yet the Sanctuary cities still let them stay?

Illegal border crossings are one of the farthest things away from a felony.

First time offenders are hit with a misdemeanor, but if they return it gets bumped up to a felony.

[Vassenor]

Illegal border crossings are one of the farthest things away from a felony.

First time offenders are hit with a misdemeanor, but if they return it gets bumped up to a felony.

And how many of them have done it twice?

[Harelia]

First time offenders are hit with a misdemeanor, but if they return it gets bumped up to a felony.

And how many of them have done it twice?

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

[Valrifell]

And how many of them have done it twice?

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

Put those goalposts back. You specified felonies.

Not to mention the law isn't this some objective benchmark of morals and virtue. They can be unjust and unfair. More importantly they can also be changed.

[Harelia]

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

Put those goalposts back. You specified felonies.

Not to mention the law isn't this some objective benchmark of morals and virtue. They can be unjust and unfair. More importantly they can also be changed.

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

[Vassenor]

Put those goalposts back. You specified felonies.

Not to mention the law isn't this some objective benchmark of morals and virtue. They can be unjust and unfair. More importantly they can also be changed.

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

And I asked how many of them have actually committed said felony. At which point you deflected.

[NS Miami Shores]

And how many of them have done it twice?

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

It doesn't matter how many times law breakers break the law, what matters is they broke the law, it doesn't really matter if they are illegal immigrants, legal immigrants or a legal citizen, a person broke the law and happens to be an illegal immigrant, not a so called undocumented immigrant that is just a political excuse to not call them illegal immigrant aliens and sound politically correct, deport the illegal aliens who broke the law and committed a crime, any kind of crime, to any nation in the world that is willing to take them in, they broke legal immigration laws to begin with.

Like I keep having to post over and over again because the post fits the post, legal immigration is legal immigration with all thier rights respected, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration, and should not be tolerated it is that easy, and it really is that easy to understand, even Mexico deports illegal immigrant aliens, you all might not understand it because you all support open borders illegal immigration, and that is illegal because they broke legal immigration laws that every nation in the world have.

[Valrifell]

Put those goalposts back. You specified felonies.

Not to mention the law isn't this some objective benchmark of morals and virtue. They can be unjust and unfair. More importantly they can also be changed.

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

You are wrong considering you dont know and cant know the exact number of double-offenders unless you've got access to crime stats that you aren't sharing (rude) which kind of makes your point moot. Clearly double-offenders wouldn't make up the bulk of their population.

Sovereign borders are a sham, I say. I think the US' current policy is flawed but should be at least acknowledged. It's a better position than mindlessly parroting "ITS THE LAW" as if that gives your argument inherent logical or moral superiority.

[United Homeland]

Well, I don't know very much about this subject of immigration, I know those people from Honduras want to live in USA and they escape poverty and wars.
Well if they will work and will enter in legal way I don't see what is the problem, and why trump said in the video that he will sent the military to stop them? maybe to make sure that those people will enter in a legal way to the USA or maybe to deport them I don't know.
after all USA is a country of immigrants and they need workers because their low fertility rates and to boost the economy.
If trump will let them in some people will like him and some will not, the media as always will make the story look much worse, but after all I know that Trump don't like illegal immigration and I don't think that he is racist.
He just want to keep the borders secure, and the USA can't take so many people in once, so they make balance I guess, correct me if I am wrong.

[NS Miami Shores]

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

You are wrong considering you dont know and cant know the exact number of double-offenders unless you've got access to crime stats that you aren't sharing (rude) which kind of makes your point moot. Clearly double-offenders wouldn't make up the bulk of their population.

Sovereign borders are a sham, I say. I think the US' current policy is flawed but should be at least acknowledged. It's a better position than mindlessly parroting "ITS THE LAW" as if that gives your argument inherent logical or moral superiority.

lol what part of the word illegal is not illegal? lol.

[Harelia]

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

And I asked how many of them have actually committed said felony. At which point you deflected.

A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime.

Just accept you can't cope with the fact.

I did specify felonies. And I wasn't wrong.

Or are you blatantly ignoring the fact that repeat offenders trying to enter the US are charged with felonies?

Also, are you telling me that blatantly ignoring sovereign borders and being able to just walk into whatever country I feel like with zero disregard for their laws or policies is just and fair?

You are wrong considering you dont know and cant know the exact number of double-offenders unless you've got access to crime stats that you aren't sharing (rude) which kind of makes your point moot. Clearly double-offenders wouldn't make up the bulk of their population.

Sovereign borders are a sham, I say. I think the US' current policy is flawed but should be at least acknowledged. It's a better position than mindlessly parroting "ITS THE LAW" as if that gives your argument inherent logical or moral superiority.

Curb your No True Scotsman

And sovereign borders are not a sham. They recognize what belongs to a nation as well as where and who their laws and policies affect. Or shall I just gather up a group of randos and proceed to run to every country I can to elect the most vile and sadistic official they can ballot?

[Puldania]

I see no reason not to allow them in. The situation in Honduras is grave enough that I'd imagine Americans would be willing to embrace with open arms innocent people fleeing a tyrannical government.

[Ifreann]

And how many of them have done it twice?

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

Who cares?

[Puldania]

And I asked how many of them have actually committed said felony. At which point you deflected.

A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime.

Just accept you can't cope with the fact.

You are wrong considering you dont know and cant know the exact number of double-offenders unless you've got access to crime stats that you aren't sharing (rude) which kind of makes your point moot. Clearly double-offenders wouldn't make up the bulk of their population.

Sovereign borders are a sham, I say. I think the US' current policy is flawed but should be at least acknowledged. It's a better position than mindlessly parroting "ITS THE LAW" as if that gives your argument inherent logical or moral superiority.

Curb your No True Scotsman

And sovereign borders are not a sham. They recognize what belongs to a nation as well as where and who their laws and policies affect. Or shall I just gather up a group of randos and proceed to run to every country I can to elect the most vile and sadistic official they can ballot?

Is that not how things already work?
Countries are a made up concept anyways.

[Harelia]

How many of them are breaking the law regardless?

Who cares?

Law abiding citizens do.

[Harelia]

A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime.

Just accept you can't cope with the fact.



Curb your No True Scotsman

And sovereign borders are not a sham. They recognize what belongs to a nation as well as where and who their laws and policies affect. Or shall I just gather up a group of randos and proceed to run to every country I can to elect the most vile and sadistic official they can ballot?

Is that not how things already work?
Countries are a made up concept anyways.

Pretty sure that's absolutely not how things work, as literally every other nation in the world has sovereign borders, and border policies made to enforce those borders.

So unless entire NATIONS of people are wrong, Then I'm pretty sure logic dictates.