Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Grand Britannia]

one of many Links I plan to post from time to time, lets start with this one, and I have not read it yet, I don't know what it says, President Reagan legalizes millions of Persons to be politically neutral Persons:

https://triblive.com/opinion/editorials ... re-amnesty

I am really trying to understand this, Since President Ronald Reagan legalized millions of Persons to be politically neutral, and from El-Amin Caliphate's statements I am begging to believe our US Immigration laws are so messed up they contradict each other, it seems like all Presidents deported persons they could not deport under US laws including President Reagan, and President Reagan legalized millions of persons who did not need to be legalized in the first place, I really do not understand the differences here, or am I Crazier than I think I am and pride myself on? Any fellow Nation Stater s care to comment and I want a few persons to comment 4 or 5 at least?

It should be no surprise immigrants are just a political tool to every side in the US.

[Saiwania]

Pepper spray, tear gas, or smoke should be deployed against this caravan in my view, anything to scatter them to the winds. They're really testing my patience with their insistence on heading north. They've refused help from Mexico precisely because they're under the mistaken impression that they can go to the US just to piss off Donald Trump. This is one big stunt they're trying to pull.

No mercy should be given to these invaders if it should come to using whatever force is necessary.

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Pepper spray, tear gas, or smoke should be deployed against this caravan in my view, anything to scatter them to the winds. They're really testing my patience with their insistence on heading north. They've refused help from Mexico precisely because they're under the mistaken impression that they can go to the US just to piss off Donald Trump. This is one big stunt they're trying to pull.

No mercy should be given to these invaders if it should come to using whatever force is necessary.

People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No mercy should be given to these invaders if it should come to using whatever force is necessary.

Once again the far-right And racists cannot tell the difference between invasion and immigration. Smh

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Pepper spray, tear gas, or smoke should be deployed against this caravan in my view, anything to scatter them to the winds. They're really testing my patience with their insistence on heading north. They've refused help from Mexico precisely because they're under the mistaken impression that they can go to the US just to piss off Donald Trump. This is one big stunt they're trying to pull.

No mercy should be given to these invaders if it should come to using whatever force is necessary.

People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

I haven't seen any of this, but even if they did, I want them in here. Some citizens would probably do the same or similar, why get so mad when they do it?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

Clearly a Republican false flag operation to influence the mid terms.

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People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

I don't know about any of that, sounds like some claims from right-wing media, which I don't follow. Just yesterday my own mother told me that she had read on Breitbart about people from the caravan burning the American flag. I fact checked it of course and found that Breitbart was using images of a flag burning that happened in 2016 in Albuquerque.

[Valrifell]

People don't make a treacherous journey thousands of miles on foot for the sake of pissing off a foreign leader, people migrate because they're leaving unlivable conditions in their home country and are in search of a better life. And how is it acceptable to use chemical weapons against unarmed, nonviolent people?

And even if you justify your sentiments as taking a hard line against illegal immigration, what about the people who want to apply for asylum, to become legal residents? What are they supposed to do?

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

Doesn't particularly matter where their politics lie if they're applying for asylum. They still have to make it here first and get through the proper channels to determine if they get it or not.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

I haven't seen any of this, but even if they did, I want them in here. Some citizens would probably do the same or similar, why get so mad when they do it?

The true question to be asked is one free of blind emotional appeals or barely veiled xenophobia...

Do they bring valuable skills, trades, and resources with them?

I want 10,000 well-trained workers entering nations with the ability to support families and a heart open to cultural integration, not 10,000 untrained labourers incapable of even supporting themselves or prone to cultural self-alienation and criminal tendencies.

Weren't they calling Trump the Antichrist, waving flags of their country of origin and ignoring Mexico's asylum offers for the most part...despite being on a march towards this supposed Antichrist-led nation?

Their actions certainly are not buying them any favors or pity, they're in fact stoking opinions AGAINST them with some of their actions.

Clearly a Republican false flag operation to influence the mid terms.

Nah, despite the curious timing of it (even though I am skeptical they will arrive at the US border before the elections).

They still are certainly not making themselves look good by insulting the one nation they're attempting to enter for asylum, though.

[Rio Cana]

Found this really informative video from a Honduran living in Honduras. She points out what is really happening in her nation. To sum it all up, she says Honduras is becoming a carbon copy of Venezuela but without being socialist. Honduras is capitalist not socialist.

Public health care is a joke. If you go to a public hospital you get to wait on the floor. Babies in hospital get put in cardboard boxes not incubators but cardboard boxes. You want service in a public hospital you need to pay. Public hospitals do not even have medicines.This explains why many sick sick people do not make it. In the meantime, the government pours money into the military. She says why since Honduras has no enemies.

Schools are also neglected. Few desks and no paint to paint the kids desks even though taxpayers pay taxes. But there is plenty of money to spend of politicians overseas trips.

She also says there is no work. That some people in Honduras might say its because some people want it easy and rather not bother to find work but she says that is not really true. That finding work in Honduras is difficult. That people can flood a town with resumes but they still cannot find work. The uploader herself spent 2 years and a half sending out resumes everywhere until she finally found work. She says could you image being out of work for that long if you had a family to support. She says there is also plenty of discrimination when searching for work. If you are too tall or short you might not get hired. If you are over 30 years you do not get hired. She does not know why. Less then 30 you need five years experience. If your last name is not the last name they want you do not get hired. If you are not a person of a certain social status you do not get hired. If you do not have the right recommendation from the right people in society you do not get hired. Rare is the place she says that accepts you if you are over 35. She does not understand the system they use in Honduras.
She then mentions that the required minimum pay in Honduras is $321 US dollars (8000 Lempiras)a month. But that most workers do even get paid this. Some employers take advantage because of the high unemployment to short pay people.

She mentions that after being unemployed for a long time that she was finally offered a job which would pay her around $200 US dollars a month (4000 Lempiras). That was way below the required minimum wage. Just paying her electric bill would cost around $100 (1000 Lempiras). Her hours were to be from 7 AM to 6 PM with one free day a week. No time to study. She did her calculations but found that if you included transportation costs that she would be losing money. But she lucked out and found a job. The person paid her a fair wage which made her possible to continue her studies. She mentions that before finding work she was really down. Not wanting to leave the house or anything. She did not even want to eat.

She also mentions that she felt personnel sadness and discomfort with people who criticized without knowing the situations of the people they are criticizing. (( I think this last part could be aimed at some people in NS))

She mentions that when it comes to the cost of living things are quite expensive if you only get minimum wages. Most end up not having much left over. And this is if your lucky to make minimum wages. Politicians/government workers can make 50000 Lempiras a month.

Crime, she says crime is rampant. She is afraid to go outside her home. She is even afraid of being at her home. She was once robbed inside her home. They took her computer. At the point she cries in the video, she is saying that simply being a women with the insecurity in Honduras that there is that she does not know where this will all lead too. She then mentions a family loss due to a stray bullet. It was her grandmother.

I should point out that the uploader of the video said that she was running some personnel risk in uploading this video. Seems the government tries to control media. She they explained that if the video could not be found on youtube in the future that it was because of this very thing.
Video but its in Spanish - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yqMpHiEZ0Y

[Kaggeceria]

Migrants reject offer to stay in Mexico.

Under the plan they would have been given benefits and would have been allowed to apply for refugee status.

Oh yeah, you can tell how poor and desparate they are.

[Diarcesia]

Migrants reject offer to stay in Mexico.

Under the plan they would have been given benefits and would have been allowed to apply for refugee status.

Oh yeah, you can tell how poor and desparate they are.

Desparate enough to take the higher risk for the higher potential reward of being granted refugee status in the USA. They have higher wages over there. *shrugs*

[Vassenor]

Migrants reject offer to stay in Mexico.

Under the plan they would have been given benefits and would have been allowed to apply for refugee status.

Oh yeah, you can tell how poor and desparate they are.

Desparate enough to take the higher risk for the higher potential reward of being granted refugee status in the USA. They have higher wages over there. *shrugs*

But the first safe country...

[Kaggeceria]

Migrants reject offer to stay in Mexico.

Under the plan they would have been given benefits and would have been allowed to apply for refugee status.

Oh yeah, you can tell how poor and desparate they are.

Desparate enough to take the higher risk for the higher potential reward of being granted refugee status in the USA. They have higher wages over there. *shrugs*

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

[Valrifell]

Desparate enough to take the higher risk for the higher potential reward of being granted refugee status in the USA. They have higher wages over there. *shrugs*

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

It's Mexico. Still not quite good or decent living conditions.

[Diarcesia]

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

It's Mexico. Still not quite good or decent living conditions.

True, but is it that bad? It's not like Mexico is offering them sanctuary in return for indentured servitude.

[Ifreann]

Desparate enough to take the higher risk for the higher potential reward of being granted refugee status in the USA. They have higher wages over there. *shrugs*

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

I guess they're better than you at long-term planning.

[Rio Cana]

Migrants reject offer to stay in Mexico.

Under the plan they would have been given benefits and would have been allowed to apply for refugee status.

Oh yeah, you can tell how poor and desparate they are.

Official Mexican numbers put them at 4000 while caravan organizers say around 7500. UN number put the caravan at 3000 while some say that figure really passed 7000.

What is known for sure is that has of today, 5000 Honduran have been counted has going back home.
Then we have the figure that 1400 have accepted to stay in Mexico.
That leaves around 1100 if we conclude that the maximum number of Honduran in the caravan amounted to 7500.
In the meantime, Mexican authorities have been arresting small groups of Hondurans that have fallen behind or splintered off from the main group. These groups amount to between 113 to 264 people. If the Mexican authorities continue this, less and less Hondurans will be marching North.

So it seems the big wave of caravan people has turned into a much smaller wave. And it keeps decreasing.

[Kaggeceria]

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

It's Mexico. Still not quite good or decent living conditions.

They're being offered food, medicine, schools, jobs and housing and can apply for refugee status.

Seems decent to me.

[Ifreann]

It's Mexico. Still not quite good or decent living conditions.

They're being offered food, medicine, schools, jobs and housing and can apply for refugee status.

Seems decent to me.

When are you moving to Mexico?

[Holy Tedalonia]

If they can afford to be picky then they don't seem that desparate.

I guess they're better than you at long-term planning.

Planning to enter a country illegally? That’s great long-term planning

[Kaggeceria]

They're being offered food, medicine, schools, jobs and housing and can apply for refugee status.

Seems decent to me.

When are you moving to Mexico?

I've yet to be offered the "You are at home" plan.

[Ifreann]

I guess they're better than you at long-term planning.

Planning to enter a country illegally? That’s great long-term planning

Yeah, it works out for a lot of people.

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When are you moving to Mexico?

I've yet to be offered the "You are at home" plan.

Maybe ask nicely.

[Kaggeceria]

Planning to enter a country illegally? That’s great long-term planning

Yeah, it works out for a lot of people.

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I've yet to be offered the "You are at home" plan.

Maybe ask nicely.

Don't really think I would. I love my country and already have a home here.