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What should be done when it comes to the Hondurans heading toward the US

Let them into the US
188
30%
Do not let any of them into the US
263
42%
Its Mexico's problem so let them handle it
65
11%
US needs to liberate Honduras
71
11%
Not Sure
32
5%
 
Total votes : 619

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Renolia
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:53 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.

What are you talking about?
Renolia wrote:
You wot?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.


But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:54 pm

Renolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.


But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:55 pm

Renolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
It's Kubumba's other account. He does this shit all the freaking time.


I figured, but the reply still doesn't make sense.


Yeah, I thought this was the first time he pulled this crap on you lol.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Renolia
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:57 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Renolia wrote:
But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing


Point one almost makes it seem like a sort of bribe. "We'll pay you if you don't do anything illegal". Point two may be correct, but at what point do you draw the line? If we paid for every person who wanted help we would be out of money in no time. We have our own concerns to worry about as well.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:58 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Okay, that thing you're doing was on purpose.

What are you talking about?
Renolia wrote:
You wot?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.


You switching to your two accounts every now and then.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Kanadorika » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:58 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Renolia wrote:
But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?

1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing


1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:59 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing


1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.


I just have to call you out on point 2, since Honduras is hardly "across the globe" lol. But the point still stands.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:00 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: So the immigrants don't do anything illegal or harmful
2: Because saving/helping lives is a good thing


1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:01 pm

Balnik wrote:
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Way to miss the point, where we've explained repeatedly how they're not "illegally flooding into a country" - for one thing Mexico was processing them crossing the border like any other migrants.


"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?


This eight year old video shows how easy it is to cross the Suchiate river. This really short video shows the Suchiate river from the Mexican side. You can see the famous bridge we have mentioned in the far distance. Mostly Guatemalan store owners cross the river into Mexico in order to buy cheaper priced goods to take back and re-sell in Guatemala. In doing this they are cheating the Guatemalan tax laws.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:02 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.


You switching to your two accounts every now and then.

You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something? :p
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:
1: It's up to the immigrants to behave and not commit crimes. If they can't do this too bad.
2: Our obligations lie in American citizens, not randoms from across the globe.

We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.


Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:03 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:We will have to deal with them no matter what, and at our own expense.


Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:04 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
You switching to your two accounts every now and then.

You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something? :p


I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:05 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Balnik wrote:
"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?


This eight year old video shows how easy it is to cross the Suchiate river. This really short video shows the Suchiate river from the Mexican side. You can see the famous bridge we have mentioned in the far distance. Mostly Guatemalan store owners cross the river into Mexico in order to buy cheaper priced goods to take back and re-sell in Guatemala. In doing this they are cheating the Guatemalan tax laws.
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:06 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:You're just now realizing I do that on purpose???
Sheesh, does have short-term memory or something? :p


I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.


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Postby Magi Rome » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:06 pm

Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:07 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?


Help out the border patrol to stop them from illegally migrating, scare them away with their guns.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:08 pm

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

You notice the US is one of the most stable nations on earth, right?

This is where the right gets their idea of 100% of the left.
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Postby Azurius » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 pm

Renolia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Yes, either México, America or an organization give plane tickets to the immigrants so that they can immigrate legally. This is only for those who have not been able to pass through México.


But again, why do they have the obligation to pay for their immigration?


If they pax taxes, work in low income jobs and stimulate the economy, balance out the unhealthy ageing of your nation... Tell me please: How exactly are you paying for them? Seems more that they are paying you and your economy for the privilige to live and work there.

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?


Help out the border patrol to stop them from illegally migrating, scare them away with their guns.

To request asylum they mist first enter the US. Are you saying they should prevent people who may be seeking asylum from entering the US? AS to scaring people away with guns, how would you do that. I am pretty sure shooting at civilians to scare them away when they pose no physical danger is illegal.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 pm

Renolia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I only knew that you do it, and suspected why. But thanks for confirming it I guess. How this hasn't been made against NSG rules is beyond me.


"No switching accounts mid-conversation to continue it... Doing so upsets Chernoslavia" Punishment: Lifetime IP ban.


Yesh! Punish them all.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:11 pm

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people

I mean, the Caravan’s going from Honduras to the US through Mexico...
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Postby Azurius » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:12 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yeah, we could send the Army National Guard to the border.

Which will still cost money...a lot of money. And...what exactly will they do when they are there?



Sorting out the criminals, letting the decent people in and letting them work etc. actually rakes in revenue.

If not gee, I guess Germanies debts ought to have skyrocketed since 2015 since we´re letting lots of em in... Wait what? Oh, seems our debts are in a skyfall since 2015. But surely, our debt is falling because immigrants cost oh so much :clap:

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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:12 pm

Would be funny if they kept marching through the US to Canada.
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Postby Harelia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:12 pm

Magi Rome wrote:Why would they want to enter to such a crappy country? If I'm Latino I would stay in Mexico. Disinformation is killing USA, open your eyes, Honduras is a hellhole and a lot of those people are doing the job that Americans wouldn't do, they can even teach Spanish to your people


Where are all these jobs that American's turn their nose up at with such intense disdain, I wonder? Sounds like it's somewhere in Makebelieve, Oklahoma.

To assume there are jobs American's wouldn't do is just ridiculous and nonsensical. I know several people that would give their own arms to be able to work a field.

I feel like you're just trying to play at satire though with following up "Disinformation is killing USA" with actual disinformation.
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