Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Kubumba Tribe]

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

Buy them a plane ticket to Europe, I hear people have no trouble with people barging in all of a sudden over there.

They want to go to America though.

[Balnik]

And so far the facts say that they will not be complicit at being held by the border, as we have seen.

A few of them. The majority behaved.

And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Use your imagination. You sorts seem to be pretty good at doing that.

[Grand Britannia]

Buy them a plane ticket to Europe, I hear people have no trouble with people barging in all of a sudden over there.

They want to go to America though.

Europe has free healthcare and education so they can clearly take better care of them than we can.

[Renolia]

I am genuinely confused about what you are trying to argue here.

My argument is as follows: "The migrants should obey the laws of the country they are trying to enter, and go through proper legal processing to enter".
We have seen numerous instances of people getting on rafts, or straight-out breaking down barricades in order to illegally enter countries. This is what I am arguing against, I believe it is wrong for people to illegally enter countries.

I want to know what your argument is.

That the vast majority of these people are going to attempt to cross the border legally, and do not represent the vague threat Trump wants us all to think they are.

So you have two arguments.

One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.

The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.

[Petrasylvania]

A few of them. The majority behaved.

And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Use your imagination. You sorts seem to be pretty good at doing that.

Nice cop out.

[Vassenor]

A few of them. The majority behaved.

And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Use your imagination.

And we're back to tarring a massive group based on what a few people do.

I'm interested in what you were thinking. Not for you to just deflect.

[Renolia]

They want to go to America though.

Europe has free healthcare and education so they can clearly take better care of them than we can.

Even the desperate know that socialism sucks.

[Balnik]

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Use your imagination. You sorts seem to be pretty good at doing that.

Nice cop out.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kubumba Tribe]

A few of them. The majority behaved.

And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Well then penalize the ones that do it, leave alone the ones that don't

You sorts

[Balnik]

So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.

Well then penalize the ones that do it, leave alone the ones that don't

You sorts

And still have the risk? No, That will not do.

What did he mean by this?

[Vassenor]

That the vast majority of these people are going to attempt to cross the border legally, and do not represent the vague threat Trump wants us all to think they are.

So you have two arguments.

One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.

The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.

And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.

[Chernoslavia]

They want to go to America though.

Europe has free healthcare and education so they can clearly take better care of them than we can.

You'd do this for us, Britannia?

[Renolia]

Well then penalize the ones that do it, leave alone the ones that don't

:eyebrow:

What did he mean by this?

Maybe thinking you are stereotyping a group of people together... "you sorts".

[Grand Britannia]

Europe has free healthcare and education so they can clearly take better care of them than we can.

You'd do this for us, Britannia?

I wish I was rich enough.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well then penalize the ones that do it, leave alone the ones that don't

And still have the risk? No, That will not do.

Lol what risk does someone who obeys the law pose?

[Balnik]

What did he mean by this?

Maybe thinking you are stereotyping a group of people together... "you sorts".

Socdems/Liberals are quite the people, I know.

[Petrasylvania]

So you have two arguments.

One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.

The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.

And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.

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[Kubumba Tribe]

You'd do this for us, Britannia?

I wish I was rich enough.

Same. I remember reading an article about a European risking his chances of going to prison by helping refugees into Europe. That man is a hero.

[Balnik]

And still have the risk? No, That will not do.

Lol what risk does someone who obeys the law pose?

At that point the intentions of the group must be considered rather than the individual if they are to devolve to the point of border jumping.

[Vassenor]

Lol what risk does someone who obeys the law pose?

At that point the intentions of the group must be considered rather than the individual if they are to devolve to the point of border jumping.

Says the person using the actions of individuals to demonise the group.

The intention of the group is to legally cross the border.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Maybe thinking you are stereotyping a group of people together... "you sorts".

Socdems/Liberals are quite the people I know.

Do you have a reason for stereotyping people?

[Renolia]

So you have two arguments.

One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.

The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.

And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.

My opinion is that any amount of violence at the border is bad. Even if it is the minority, such a thing a wrong and will only serve to escalate the situation. If they truly wanted to enter as refugees, they would go through the legal process. I am not assuming everyone there is violent, however there is clearly at the very least a decently sized element of this group that is violent and willing to break laws to get what they want. People getting on rafts to circumvent checkpoints, people rushing checkpoints to topple barricades and get by, these are all people that are causing many people to have bad impressions on this group, and there is no reason for us to assume that these same people will not attempt such action at the U.S. border.

[Balnik]

Socdems/Liberals are quite the people I know.

Do you have a reason for stereotyping people?

Everyone has a reason for their actions.

[Vassenor]

And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.

My opinion is that any amount of violence at the border is bad. Even if it is the minority, such a thing a wrong and will only serve to escalate the situation. If they truly wanted to enter as refugees, they would go through the legal process. I am not assuming everyone there is violent, however there is clearly at the very least a decently sized element of this group that is violent and willing to break laws to get what they want. People getting on rafts to circumvent checkpoints, people rushing checkpoints to topple barricades and get by, these are all people that are causing many people to have bad impressions on this group, and there is no reason for us to assume that these same people will not attempt such action at the U.S. border.

So at what point does that make it logical to turn them all away?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Lol what risk does someone who obeys the law pose?

At that point the intentions of the group must be considered rather than the individual if they are to devolve to the point of border jumping.

And that's a nonsensical statement. Obtaining asylum goes by the judgement of 1 individual's background, not by what group they're in. Regardless, what risk do people who jump a border pose?