They want to go to America though.
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by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:32 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
by Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
by Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
Vassenor wrote:Renolia wrote:
I am genuinely confused about what you are trying to argue here.
My argument is as follows: "The migrants should obey the laws of the country they are trying to enter, and go through proper legal processing to enter".
We have seen numerous instances of people getting on rafts, or straight-out breaking down barricades in order to illegally enter countries. This is what I am arguing against, I believe it is wrong for people to illegally enter countries.
I want to know what your argument is.
That the vast majority of these people are going to attempt to cross the border legally, and do not represent the vague threat Trump wants us all to think they are.
by Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:34 pm
Balnik wrote:Vassenor wrote:
A few of them. The majority behaved.
And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.
So a few of them are still going to try and vault the US border? That is still unacceptable behavior.
Use your imagination. You sorts seem to be pretty good at doing that.
by Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:35 pm
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:35 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:36 pm
Renolia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
That the vast majority of these people are going to attempt to cross the border legally, and do not represent the vague threat Trump wants us all to think they are.
So you have two arguments.
One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.
The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.
by Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:36 pm
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:37 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:38 pm
Vassenor wrote:Renolia wrote:
So you have two arguments.
One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.
The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.
And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:39 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:39 pm
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:39 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:40 pm
Vassenor wrote:Renolia wrote:
So you have two arguments.
One is simply that Trump is misrepresenting the threat of these people. In that case you and I agree 100%.
The other is that the majority of the people are trying to cross legally. That I have difficulty agreeing or disagreeing with given the sheer chaotic nature of the situation. Mod mentality is a dangerous thing and the actions of a few may or may not represent that of the group. Others will tend to do as the others do, which has led to violence between the migrants and the police force. With so many people the intentions and actions of them all cannot be well represented by what some say they are trying to accomplish, nor with what some are actually doing.
And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.
by Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:41 pm
Renolia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And yet we seem to be being forced to labour under the assumption that they will all violently rush the US - Mexico border because a few people did it at the Guatemala border.
My opinion is that any amount of violence at the border is bad. Even if it is the minority, such a thing a wrong and will only serve to escalate the situation. If they truly wanted to enter as refugees, they would go through the legal process. I am not assuming everyone there is violent, however there is clearly at the very least a decently sized element of this group that is violent and willing to break laws to get what they want. People getting on rafts to circumvent checkpoints, people rushing checkpoints to topple barricades and get by, these are all people that are causing many people to have bad impressions on this group, and there is no reason for us to assume that these same people will not attempt such action at the U.S. border.
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:41 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
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