Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Vassenor]

The proper legal process is to go to the US and ask for asylum.

They still have to go through Mexico, which has it's own legal process for allowing people to travel through their borders. This is what I do not truly understand about the argument being presented on the side of the immigrants - is it that y'all are against the idea of them going through legal processes or what?

Where the actual fuck are you getting that idea from anyway?

[Petrasylvania]

> Not in US territory so far
> "THEY'RE ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING!!!!!1ONE"

And where the fuck do you think they're trying to go, Vas?

Not Vass, Sweetheart. :^*

[Renolia]

"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?

The Mexican authorities said those with valid passports and visas would be allowed in immediately, though this is believed to apply to only a minority of the migrants.

They warned that anyone without papers would have to apply for refugee status or turn back, and anyone who crossed illegally would be detained and deported.

So yes, they were being processed.

>Ignores first half of the quote he mentioned.

I didn't realize breaking down barriers was legal processing.

[Balnik]

"A number of migrants jumped into the Suchiate river to reach rafts"
"Many of the migrants temporarily broke through barriers on a bridge which crosses the river border between Guatemala and Mexico." Sounds like attempts to illegally trespass and immigrate to me. What would have happen should the police not have been there?

The Mexican authorities said those with valid passports and visas would be allowed in immediately, though this is believed to apply to only a minority of the migrants.

They warned that anyone without papers would have to apply for refugee status or turn back, and anyone who crossed illegally would be detained and deported.

So yes, they were being processed.

Yet they crossed the rivers and vaulted over barriers to only be driven back by police? So what's to stop me from thinking that the same won't occur in the US?

[Kubumba Tribe]

The proper legal process is to go to the US and ask for asylum.

They still have to go through Mexico, which has it's own legal process for allowing people to travel through their borders. This is what I do not truly understand about the argument being presented on the side of the immigrants - is it that y'all are against the idea of them going through legal processes or what?

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

[Vassenor]

So yes, they were being processed.

>Ignores first half of the quote he mentioned.

I didn't realize breaking down barriers was legal processing.

I didn't realise "a few" was everyone in the massive group.

[Vassenor]

So yes, they were being processed.

Yet they crossed the rivers and vaulted over barriers to only be driven back by police? So what's to stop me from thinking that the same won't occur in the US?

Stated intent.

[Balnik]

Then submit an asylum request. I doubt they are all going to request and wait to be pending to enter. As seen in Mexico.

Do you always make a point of tarring massive groups with a broad brush based on the actions of a few?

From the pictures I saw it didn't seem like "a few"

[Balnik]

Yet they crossed the rivers and vaulted over barriers to only be driven back by police? So what's to stop me from thinking that the same won't occur in the US?

Stated intent.

I whole heartedly doubt that they will remain complicit in the processing system.

[Chernoslavia]

And where the fuck do you think they're trying to go, Vas?

Not Vass, Sweetheart. :^*

Similar looking flags. But you two might as well be the same person since both of you like to grasp at straws a lot.

[Vassenor]

Do you always make a point of tarring massive groups with a broad brush based on the actions of a few?

From the pictures I saw it didn't seem like "a few"

I'm going by what your sources say.

[Renolia]

They still have to go through Mexico, which has it's own legal process for allowing people to travel through their borders. This is what I do not truly understand about the argument being presented on the side of the immigrants - is it that y'all are against the idea of them going through legal processes or what?

Where the actual fuck are you getting that idea from anyway?

I am genuinely confused about what you are trying to argue here.

My argument is as follows: "The migrants should obey the laws of the country they are trying to enter, and go through proper legal processing to enter".
We have seen numerous instances of people getting on rafts, or straight-out breaking down barricades in order to illegally enter countries. This is what I am arguing against, I believe it is wrong for people to illegally enter countries.

I want to know what your argument is.

[Vassenor]

Stated intent.

I whole heartedly doubt that they will remain complicit in the processing system.

Strongly held beliefs are not facts.

[Vassenor]

Where the actual fuck are you getting that idea from anyway?

I am genuinely confused about what you are trying to argue here.

My argument is as follows: "The migrants should obey the laws of the country they are trying to enter, and go through proper legal processing to enter".
We have seen numerous instances of people getting on rafts, or straight-out breaking down barricades in order to illegally enter countries. This is what I am arguing against, I believe it is wrong for people to illegally enter countries.

I want to know what your argument is.

That the vast majority of these people are going to attempt to cross the border legally, and do not represent the vague threat Trump wants us all to think they are.

[Uxupox]

Mexico doesn't want them tbh.

Any reason?
And why not just immigrate to the next country over? Are the countries bordering Honduras doing that badly?

They are turning them back if they can and only allow a select few to cross over.

That's messed up.

The current thing is that there are some disagreements about NAFTA between Mexico and the United States. I believe that the new President of Mexico (Andrés López) who is a nationalist and a populist is using these asylum seekers as bargaining chips to obtain a favorable outcome in the NAFTA agreement.

[Ifreann]

The proper legal process is to go to the US and ask for asylum.

They still have to go through Mexico, which has it's own legal process for allowing people to travel through their borders. This is what I do not truly understand about the argument being presented on the side of the immigrants - is it that y'all are against the idea of them going through legal processes or what?

I want the best possible outcome for these people in need. In the US they can probably get work, support themselves and their families.

[Balnik]

From the pictures I saw it didn't seem like "a few"

I'm going by what your sources say.

Until they were stopped by police. I'm sure more would have followed if the police were not there.

[Kubumba Tribe]

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

[Vassenor]

I'm going by what your sources say.

Until they were stopped by police. I'm sure more would have followed if the police were not there.

Strongly held beliefs are not facts. You can think that all you want but that doesn't automatically make it true.

[Balnik]

I whole heartedly doubt that they will remain complicit in the processing system.

Strongly held beliefs are not facts.

And so far the facts say that they will not be complicit at being held by the border, as we have seen.

[Grand Britannia]

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

Buy them a plane ticket to Europe, I hear people have no trouble with people barging in all of a sudden over there.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Strongly held beliefs are not facts.

And so far the facts say that they will not be complicit at being held by the border, as we have seen.

Are you talking about all of them or those that have illegally crossed?

[Uxupox]

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

that's money that people don't have.

[Chernoslavia]

For those that don't get processed in México, why not buy them a plane ticket into America so they can immigrate?

How about no.

[Vassenor]

Strongly held beliefs are not facts.

And so far the facts say that they will not be complicit at being held by the border, as we have seen.

A few of them. The majority behaved.

And I am still waiting for you to explain what the people taking matters into their own hands entails.