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What should be done when it comes to the Hondurans heading toward the US

Let them into the US
188
30%
Do not let any of them into the US
263
42%
Its Mexico's problem so let them handle it
65
11%
US needs to liberate Honduras
71
11%
Not Sure
32
5%
 
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Renolia
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Postby Renolia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:54 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, the Daily Mail said it. Guess it must be true because the Mail would never lie about stuff to pander to its audience. :roll:


Implying that CNN never lies, I guess we can call any source you hand out in a debate as fake news if we don’t like the outlet.


Of course, this is the internet... What are you, new?

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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:55 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, the Daily Mail said it. Guess it must be true because the Mail would never lie about stuff to pander to its audience. :roll:


Implying that CNN never lies, I guess we can call any source you hand out in a debate as fake news if we don’t like the outlet.


Tbh neither of them outright lies, but they do have partisan bias in their interpretation of news. CNN is just particularly bad in their political commentary.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:01 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh, the Daily Mail said it. Guess it must be true because the Mail would never lie about stuff to pander to its audience. :roll:


Implying that CNN never lies, I guess we can call any source you hand out in a debate as fake news if we don’t like the outlet.

There is nothing wrong with the source, you need a better counter than “uh! I don’t like Fox!”


And you need better arguments than just NO U.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Implying that CNN never lies, I guess we can call any source you hand out in a debate as fake news if we don’t like the outlet.

There is nothing wrong with the source, you need a better counter than “uh! I don’t like Fox!”


And you need better arguments than just NO U.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:04 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I would think that people who might not be able to return to their homes for years, if ever, would want to make the best possible lives for themselves, not the closest possible lives.

Walking hundreds of miles through two entire countries doesn't reek of separation. Seems more like pickiness. If they can afford to be picky then I doubt their desparation.

Doubt whatever you want, doesn't make any difference. No law says "You must be at least this desperate to be granted asylum".

It's really not obvious when you initially said "Send the National Guard to the border and don't let any of them through." Kinda makes it seem like you want the National Guard to do something to stop these people from getting through.

I'm sure they can build barriers and things like that. But no. I want them to assist the Border Patrol who will likely be swamped under the weight of over 10,000 of these entitled idiots.

CBP has 45,600 sworn agents and officers.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:04 pm

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Balnik wrote:Please stop these people. God bless the US for being in between us and Central America.


Could you possibly be one of our brothers to the north? May I have some maple syrup? :D

Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:05 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
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Implying that CNN never lies, I guess we can call any source you hand out in a debate as fake news if we don’t like the outlet.


Tbh neither of them outright lies, but they do have partisan bias in their interpretation of news. CNN is just particularly bad in their political commentary.


When it comes to guns, CNN seems to spew the same nonsense about them that have already been disproven. It’s not actual proof they’re purposefully lying about it but it does support my suspicion.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:05 pm

Balnik wrote:
Renolia wrote:
Could you possibly be one of our brothers to the north? May I have some maple syrup? :D

Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.

They won't even try to turn them back.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:06 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
Tbh neither of them outright lies, but they do have partisan bias in their interpretation of news. CNN is just particularly bad in their political commentary.


When it comes to guns, CNN seems to spew the same nonsense about them that have already been disproven. It’s not actual proof they’re purposefully lying about it but it does support my suspicion.


Yes, CNN has obvious bias in their political commentary.

By all means use them for regular news, just don't take their commentary or opinion pieces seriously.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:06 pm

Balnik wrote:
Renolia wrote:
Could you possibly be one of our brothers to the north? May I have some maple syrup? :D

Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.


>horde

Oh hey, more emotive language intended to dehumanise.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Balnik wrote:Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.

They won't even try to turn them back.


And they'll just happily let them through?

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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Balnik wrote:Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.

They won't even try to turn them back.

What a shame. Hopefully the populace takes things into their own hands if that's the case.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:07 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They won't even try to turn them back.


And they'll just happily let them through?


Probably not, they can't just let them go wherever they want, they need to be processed with their asylum request to be considered.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:08 pm

Balnik wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They won't even try to turn them back.

What a shame. Hopefully the populace takes things into their own hands if that's the case.


Oh hey, mob justice. Because that never ends badly at all. :roll:
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Balnik wrote:Yes I am Canadian. The USA really needs a better immigration system. Hopefully the military will be able to stop this horde at the border and turn them back.


>horde

Oh hey, more emotive language intended to dehumanise.

Hm? Am I supposed to feel compassion for a group of people that are directly targeting the US and are attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process? Forgive me for my negative attitude then but I have no empathy for these people.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:09 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>horde

Oh hey, more emotive language intended to dehumanise.

Hm? Am I supposed to feel compassion for a group of people that are directly targeting the US and are attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process? Forgive me for my negative attitude then but I have no empathy for these people.


>attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process

You mean that thing that it has been explained repeatedly is not happening?
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Balnik wrote:What a shame. Hopefully the populace takes things into their own hands if that's the case.


Oh hey, mob justice. Because that never ends badly at all. :roll:


Someone's gotta do it, And if this person says the military or the proper authorities will do it then it's better than nothing.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:10 pm

Balnik wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They won't even try to turn them back.

What a shame. Hopefully the populace takes things into their own hands if that's the case.

So much for Jobs Not Mobs.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:10 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>horde

Oh hey, more emotive language intended to dehumanise.

Hm? Am I supposed to feel compassion for a group of people that are directly targeting the US and are attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process? Forgive me for my negative attitude then but I have no empathy for these people.


We really need to change asylum process requirements.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:10 pm

Balnik wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They won't even try to turn them back.

What a shame. Hopefully the populace takes things into their own hands if that's the case.

They won't.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:10 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh hey, mob justice. Because that never ends badly at all. :roll:


Someone's gotta do it, And if this person says the military or the proper authorities will do it then it's better than nothing.


And what would this entail?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:11 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh hey, mob justice. Because that never ends badly at all. :roll:


Someone's gotta do it, And if this person says the military or the proper authorities will do it then it's better than nothing.

Seeking asylum in the US is entirely legal.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:11 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Balnik wrote:Hm? Am I supposed to feel compassion for a group of people that are directly targeting the US and are attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process? Forgive me for my negative attitude then but I have no empathy for these people.


>attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process

You mean that thing that it has been explained repeatedly is not happening?

By illegally flooding into a country it is breaking the law of a nation. Migrants were literally flooding over fences before withdrawing due to police clashes in Mexico.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:12 pm

Balnik wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>attempting to circumvent it's laws and immigration process

You mean that thing that it has been explained repeatedly is not happening?

By illegally flooding into a country it is breaking the law of a nation. Migrants were literally flooding over fences before withdrawing due to police clashes in Mexico.


OK yeah you've not actually read the thread then.
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Postby Balnik » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Balnik wrote:
Someone's gotta do it, And if this person says the military or the proper authorities will do it then it's better than nothing.

Seeking asylum in the US is entirely legal.

Seeming illegal immigration =/= asylum.
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