Thousands of Hondurans heading toward the US

[Rio Cana]

Strange that no one has mentioned the thousands of Honduran who started there journey to the US on October 13. Currently, they already have passed Guatemala where the Guatemalan government tried to deter them from crossing over into Guatemala. For those that managed to get into Guatemala, the government of Guatemala decided to give them a 30 day Visa. They have also asked the Honduran government to do something. The Honduran government has closed one of the border crossings with Guatemala. Also, Honduras together with the help of Guatemala have set up a program to repatriate any Honduran who wants to come back. So far 724 Honduran in Guatemala have taken up on the offer and have been transported back to Honduras.

In the meantime, thousand of Honduran have reached the bridge that connects Guatemala to Mexico, But they are stuck on the bridge since the gate on the Mexican side was closed. Yes, they tore down the gate but there was a wall of Mexican Federal police nearby.

For humanitarian reasons, Mexico did let in groups of women with kids in order to help them since many had run out of supplies. But Mexico has said that any Honduran wanting to get into Mexico must get a legal Visa. Many are opting to illegally crossing the river.

The following news video explains the problem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtIT_rstRUs

This video in Spanish from a Basque source from Spain - https://www.eitb.eus/es/noticias/intern ... uida-eeuu/

So what do you think they should do. Like it or not, it seems the only real lasting solution would be for the US to liberate Honduras. Thus, they can start all over again. But this time put a government and economic system which responds to the needs of everyone and not just the small elite of Honduras.

[Vassenor]

I thought that they were all secretly Middle Eastern Terrorists™ though.

[Uxupox]

la ciudad de los narcos honduras.

[Northeast American Federation]

You can't just let a massive flood of people enter the country illegally and then just let them stay here forever. Otherwise you'll get half the Earth's population banging down our door. And given how well recent efforts at "nation building" have panned out (still at war in Afghanistan for no apparent reason, Iraq fell into chaos basically as soon as we pulled out), I don't think we want to get into that game again anytime soon.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I've heard this here and there.

Sure, let them in once they get a background check. Let them get citizenship. Or at least residency.

[Kubra]

>liberate honduras
hey wanna know what happens when guns and bombs and shrapnel and such go off in a country
they cause a phenomenon known as "population displacement"
When this occurs, populations tend to flow outwards in greater rates than compared to peacetime.
So, migrants from Hondarus. You want to stop them. Your solution is to increase their rate of migration.
Could you explain in greater detail?

[Rio Cana]

I've heard this here and there.

Sure, let them in once they get a background check. Let them get citizenship. Or at least residency.

Like I said, the only lasting solution would be to liberate Honduras. US could lead the OAS on an liberation plan.

Some people mentioned Iraq, Iraq and Afghanistan. Honduras is nothing like those nations. Those are eastern cultures. Honduras is closer to Western culture. I think most Honduran would be for it if it were an OAS thing.

[Vassenor]

>liberate honduras
hey wanna know what happens when guns and bombs and shrapnel and such go off in a country
they cause a phenomenon known as "population displacement"
When this occurs, populations tend to flow outwards in greater rates than compared to peacetime.
So, migrants from Hondarus. You want to stop them. Your solution is to increase their rate of migration.
Could you explain in greater detail?

Plus in that case they become refugees with more justification for entering the US.

[Ifreann]

You can't just let a massive flood of people enter the country illegally and then just let them stay here forever. Otherwise you'll get half the Earth's population banging down our door. And given how well recent efforts at "nation building" have panned out (still at war in Afghanistan for no apparent reason, Iraq fell into chaos basically as soon as we pulled out), I don't think we want to get into that game again anytime soon.

Seeking asylum in the United States is entirely legal.

[Loben]

Dont let them through.

[Vassenor]

Dont let them through.

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

[Thermodolia]

I've heard this here and there.

Sure, let them in once they get a background check. Let them get citizenship. Or at least residency.

Like I said, the only lasting solution would be to liberate Honduras. US could lead the OAS on an liberation plan.

Some people mentioned Iraq, Iraq and Afghanistan. Honduras is nothing like those nations. Those are eastern cultures. Honduras is closer to Western culture. I think most Honduran would be for it if it were an OAS thing.

And why do I want another refugee crisis?

[Northeast American Federation]

You can't just let a massive flood of people enter the country illegally and then just let them stay here forever. Otherwise you'll get half the Earth's population banging down our door. And given how well recent efforts at "nation building" have panned out (still at war in Afghanistan for no apparent reason, Iraq fell into chaos basically as soon as we pulled out), I don't think we want to get into that game again anytime soon.

Seeking asylum in the United States is entirely legal.

If literally anyone from anywhere can come in here, claim they need asylum, and then they immediately have to be allowed to stay here while the however-many-months/years go by of processing, that essentially is an open door to the entire planet to just "come on in, just make sure to claim asylum at the door."

Like I said, the only lasting solution would be to liberate Honduras. US could lead the OAS on an liberation plan.

Some people mentioned Iraq, Iraq and Afghanistan. Honduras is nothing like those nations. Those are eastern cultures. Honduras is closer to Western culture. I think most Honduran would be for it if it were an OAS thing.

And why do I want another refugee crisis?

We don't. Trying the whole nation building thing again is a terrible idea. Just because it isn't Iraq or Afghanistan doesn't mean it's going to go any better in the long run.

[Thermodolia]

Dont let them through.

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

Well they aren’t here yet. And illegal entry is more than enough reason.

Anyway bring out the army and put tanks on the border

[Ifreann]

Seeking asylum in the United States is entirely legal.

If literally anyone from anywhere can come in here, claim they need asylum, and then they immediately have to be allowed to stay here while the however-many-months/years go by of processing, that essentially is an open door to the entire planet to just "come on in, just make sure to claim asylum at the door."

I guess you have an open door to the entire planet, then. And have had it that way for quite some time.

[Rio Cana]

The US pres. was putting pressure on Honduras and also Guatemala. Saying the US would cut off all money if they did not stop those people. Found out some Honduran activists want the US to exactly do that. They want all money to be cut off to what they consider a corrupt government which is responsible for the problems of Honduras.

[Ifreann]

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

Well they aren’t here yet. And illegal entry is more than enough reason.

Anyway bring out the army and put tanks on the border

Seeking asylum isn't illegal, so I guess the tanks will just be there to welcome everyone.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

If literally anyone from anywhere can come in here, claim they need asylum, and then they immediately have to be allowed to stay here while the however-many-months/years go by of processing, that essentially is an open door to the entire planet to just "come on in, just make sure to claim asylum at the door."

I guess you have an open door to the entire planet, then. And have had it that way for quite some time.

Tell me Ifreann, do you leave your doors and windows unlocked for the whole world to just waltz into your house?

[Thermodolia]

Well they aren’t here yet. And illegal entry is more than enough reason.

Anyway bring out the army and put tanks on the border

Seeking asylum isn't illegal, so I guess the tanks will just be there to welcome everyone.

We can refuse asylum. We already have

[Loben]

Well they aren’t here yet. And illegal entry is more than enough reason.

Anyway bring out the army and put tanks on the border

Seeking asylum isn't illegal, so I guess the tanks will just be there to welcome everyone.

Entering the united states illegally, is.

[Chernoslavia]

Dont let them through.

Why? What justification is there for tossing them out?

Because they're fucking illegals?

[The Lone Alliance]

With climate change the belief that the Western world will be able to take care of every fleeing third world refugee will eventually come crashing down, let's hope it goes peacefully instead of violently.

We can refuse asylum. We already have

But International Law is supposed to be unbreakable.

Really the US should just back out of the Refugee convention already, once they do likely other nations will follow up as well.

[Blackledge]

I mean, if everyone knows they're coming and is tracking them it's not like they'll just flood over the border illegally right? They'll be in-proccessed, checked and vetted the proper way, right? Or sent to FEMA camps or whatever. But isn't it a good thing to advertise immigrant caravans so the destination can prepare to accept all/some/none and no one has to die sneaking through a desert?

[Trumptonium1]

Send the military to the southern border and financially sanction MEX/GUA/ELS/HON for failing to prevent mass illegal immigration. What Britain should have done to France a long time ago.

[Chernoslavia]

Send the military to the southern border and financially sanction MEX/GUA/ELS/HON for failing to prevent mass illegal immigration. What Britain should have done to France a long time ago.

I second this.