Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Reikoku]

I don't trust people who lack coherent ideologies tbh.

I - I - I have a coherent ideology, anon.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And what exactly do you mean by "non-coherent" ideologies?

Because that can rapidly degenerate into meaning "My political ideology is better than yours!".

Well, my political ideology *is* better than your's.

Any proclaimed ideology that lacks firm and stable principles. Parties of power, client-patron systems, etc.

The key is to not advocate for anything and have a galaxy brain

[Reikoku]

Well, my political ideology *is* better than your's.

Any proclaimed ideology that lacks firm and stable principles. Parties of power, client-patron systems, etc.

The key is to not advocate for anything and have a galaxy brain

[Salus Maior]

In ancient Rome, that was the norm. Caesar was only controversial because it was suspected that he took the 'passive' role.

Even to this day, the passive role carries some minor stigma, but pretending that Greece and Rome didn't have armies of men very much willing to assclap younger men (particularly teenagers, and sometimes even boys, thus bordering very close on pedophilia) is dumb.

That is just pedophilia.

[Northeast American Federation]

Well, my political ideology *is* better than your's.

Any proclaimed ideology that lacks firm and stable principles. Parties of power, client-patron systems, etc.

The key is to not advocate for anything and have a galaxy brain

Sounds like that pesky centrism to me.

[Fahran]

That is just pedophilia.

Let's steer away from that particular topic, but, yes, Rome was pretty gay - provided you weren't passive.

[Oil exporting People]

That is just pedophilia.

Let's steer away from that particular topic, but, yes, Rome was pretty gay - provided you weren't passive.

476 was justified on this alone.

[Freezic Vast]

That is just pedophilia.

Let's steer away from that particular topic, but, yes, Rome was pretty gay - provided you weren't passive.

The Greeks were even moreso tho.

Let's steer away from that particular topic, but, yes, Rome was pretty gay - provided you weren't passive.

476 was justified on this alone.

No.

[Diopolis]

Let's steer away from that particular topic, but, yes, Rome was pretty gay - provided you weren't passive.

476 was justified on this alone.

It's more complicated than that.
In common with most historical and some present western cultures, the Roman concept of a (male)homosexual was a bottom. Latin has a word for faggot- or rather, it has two words for faggot, one of which was merely vulgar and the other highly insulting. Contrary to popular belief, non-coercive homosexual relationships were probably relatively common in ancient Rome- provided there was a sufficient difference in social status between the participants(the same difference would have been relatively common in heterosexual relationships)- and are recorded in Roman comedies. After Christianization, homosexual relations were increasingly stigmatized, but it's unlikely that penetrative homosexuality was tarred any more successfully than male promiscuity(of which it is a species not really any worse than the norm).

[Reikoku]

I dressed in my Arab clothes for Halloween on campus, and some Arab guy stopped me outside the library, greeted me in Arabic, told me I looked like his dad from a distance, and then told me "don't get shot."

This must be what Rachel Dolezal's day is like.

[Oil exporting People]

I dressed in my Arab clothes for Halloween on campus, and some Arab guy stopped me outside the library, greeted me in Arabic, told me I looked like his dad from a distance, and then told me "don't get shot."

You gotta quit LARPing man.

For what it's worth, however, my costume is a trash bag.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I dressed in my Arab clothes for Halloween on campus, and some Arab guy stopped me outside the library, greeted me in Arabic, told me I looked like his dad from a distance, and then told me "don't get shot."

You gotta quit LARPing man.

For what it's worth, however, my costume is a trash bag.

I like larping. You'd appreciate that there was a civil war reenactor who goes here who dressed in his kit.

[Bienenhalde]

I cannot say I disagree with you. Ashikaga Takauji was a traitor and a criminal, no doubt about it.

Eh, I regard Takauji as someone who was driven to change sides by Go Daigo's poor command, a victim of circumstance rather than some sort of devil.

Well, Go-Daigo's leadership may not have been perfect, but did Ashikaga really have any vision for how the government could be reformed and improved? Or did he just want an excuse to take power for himself?

[Bienenhalde]

What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.

What do you mean by "social growth"? If you mean progress towards an egalitarian, liberal society in the style of the post-Enlightenment West, I would say preventing that would be a good thing.

[Reikoku]

Eh, I regard Takauji as someone who was driven to change sides by Go Daigo's poor command, a victim of circumstance rather than some sort of devil.

Well, Go-Daigo's leadership may not have been perfect, but did Ashikaga really have any vision for how the government could be reformed and improved? Or did he just want an excuse to take power for himself?

Go-Daigo's policies regarding the samurai were disastrous and resulted in Takauji having to put down several rebellions. The struggle between him and the Emperor wasn't an ideological one; and Emperor Go-Daigo sealed his own fate when he impatiently demanded that Kusunoki Masashige throw away his life in some climactic battle, rather than following Kusunoki's recommended strategy.

[Reikoku]

What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.

What do you mean by "social growth"? If you mean progress towards an egalitarian, liberal society in the style of the post-Enlightenment West, I would say preventing that would be a good thing.

Weren't you complaining like a week ago about how sexist and regressive Japan was?

It was because Joseon and Qing clung to the backwards and outdated Sinocentric model of foreign relations that they ended up meeting disaster, unless my history is wrong and they really did drive out the "barbarians" that they looked down on like animals. Confucianism failed on all that it promised to deliver. It did not instill humaneness, loyalty, stability, or other virtues into countries, rather it continued harmful social relations and barbarous practices.

[Bienenhalde]

What do you mean by "social growth"? If you mean progress towards an egalitarian, liberal society in the style of the post-Enlightenment West, I would say preventing that would be a good thing.

Weren't you complaining like a week ago about how sexist and regressive Japan was?

It was because Joseon and Qing clung to the backwards and outdated Sinocentric model of foreign relations that they ended up meeting disaster, unless my history is wrong and they really did drive out the "barbarians" that they looked down on like animals. Confucianism failed on all that it promised to deliver. It did not instill humaneness, loyalty, stability, or other virtues into countries, rather it continued harmful social relations and barbarous practices.

Well, no human society is necessarily perfect or beyond criticism. But my concern is that some of the things you have said imply the idea of a sort of Whig history where "progress" is presented as inevitably good and tradition as bad. This is particularly associated with people who believe in the superiority of Enlightenment Western values. But I do not really believe that Enlightenment Western values are necessarily superior to those of traditional societies.

[Reikoku]

Well, no human society is necessarily perfect or beyond criticism.

Not really a defense for Confucianism when it claims to descend from ancient sage-kings who perfectly ruled the realm.

This is particularly associated with people who believe in the superiority of Enlightenment Western values.

Confucianism has more in common with Enlightenment values than I do.

But I do not really believe that Enlightenment Western values are necessarily superior to those of traditional societies.

Whether or not something is "traditional" does not make it a good thing. Foot binding and castration were both extremely barbaric.

[Bienenhalde]

\Whether or not something is "traditional" does not make it a good thing. Foot binding and castration were both extremely barbaric.

I am not quite sure about castration, but I am pretty sure that foot-binding was just a secular custom that has nothing to do with Confucian teachings. And no, not all traditions are good, I did not mean to imply that.

[Chernoslavia]

Can I haz MG08/15?

[Freezic Vast]

Can I haz MG08/15?

Fun fact: No.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Can I haz MG08/15?

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

[Freezic Vast]

Can I haz MG08/15?

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

Because you stem for traditional conservative Al-Islam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

Because you stem for traditional conservative Al-Islam.

No I don't. I stem for Al-Islam. Regardless, how does that not make me right-wing?

[Bienenhalde]

Have you ever been such a capitalist you think John D. Rockefeller would've made a great president?

No, but his grandson Nelson would have made a pretty good president.