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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:21 am

Regarding Julius Caesar, one question I would ask is whether he is more a relevant as a model for left-wing revolutionaries or for right-wing conservatives. Obviously, the modern concepts of left and right-wing politics originated in Enlightenment Europe and do not necessarily give an adequate explanation of ancient Roman politics. Nevertheless, Caesar's attempts to radically change the Roman constitution on behalf of the common people against the entrenched aristocracy is reminiscent of the actions of many left-wing revolutionaries. On the other hand, Caesar was instrumental in creating the office of Roman Emperor, which has been revered by many monarchists and right-wing traditionalists as an important political and religious institution in pre-modern European politics. It is also worth noting that in Medieval legend, Caesar was counted as one of the "Nine Worthies" of chivalry.

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Postby Reikoku » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:47 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:Tonight for Halloween I’m going to dress up as Jeremy Corbyn.

When the kids come knocking on my door, I’m going to take half of their sweets and give them to those too lazy to go trick or treating.


You should dress up as your sense of humor, because it's even more dreadful.
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Go Daigo should have won.

Change my mind.


I cannot say I disagree with you. Ashikaga Takauji was a traitor and a criminal, no doubt about it.


Eh, I regard Takauji as someone who was driven to change sides by Go Daigo's poor command, a victim of circumstance rather than some sort of devil.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:52 am

I'm going to disguise as Stalin and tell to the children that they will not have candy because we have none.

Checkmate, tankies!

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Postby Kyrinasaj » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:55 am

All of you with your disguises, I am just staying at home and hoping I won't have to confront children
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:55 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I'm going to disguise as Stalin and tell to the children that they will not have candy because we have none.

Checkmate, tankies!

Checkmate, commies you no food
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:57 am

Just gonna buy candy and eat it at home.
:D
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:58 am

Genivaria wrote:Just gonna buy candy and eat it at home.
:D

Tbh I have no sweet tooth but that sounds despicably evil
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:59 am

Fahran wrote:
Reikoku wrote:In contrast to the hairstyle of RWDTers, which is 100% unwashed and slick from grease.

>Washing your hair everyday
How about no? There's a lot of it.


</3

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:05 am

Bienenhalde wrote:Regarding Julius Caesar, one question I would ask is whether he is more a relevant as a model for left-wing revolutionaries or for right-wing conservatives. Obviously, the modern concepts of left and right-wing politics originated in Enlightenment Europe and do not necessarily give an adequate explanation of ancient Roman politics. Nevertheless, Caesar's attempts to radically change the Roman constitution on behalf of the common people against the entrenched aristocracy is reminiscent of the actions of many left-wing revolutionaries. On the other hand, Caesar was instrumental in creating the office of Roman Emperor, which has been revered by many monarchists and right-wing traditionalists as an important political and religious institution in pre-modern European politics. It is also worth noting that in Medieval legend, Caesar was counted as one of the "Nine Worthies" of chivalry.

I would agree that he's more of a left-wing revolutionary than a right-wing conservative, if we're using such dubious terminology in the context of Roman politics. I would point out that Caesar was never emperor in the sense that the Principate had emperors - Caesar was Dictator, a lawful and traditional office, and disdained the Senate for trying to shower him with more honors than that. In contrast, Augustus collected titles like sad old people collect stamps. Furthermore, the office(s) of emperor in the Principate as primus inter pares ruling by consent of the Senate was very distant from later theocratic/monarchial conceptions of the emperor, which are mostly a Diocletian/Constantinian invention.

I think Caesar being one of the nine worthies of chivalry speaks more as to the lack of interest of the writers of the Medieval period in rigorous historical scholarship considering that Caesar used just about every dirty trick in the book.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:05 am

Genivaria wrote:Just gonna buy candy and eat it at home.
:D

Waiting til tomorrow to buy candy is the true Patrician choice.
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:10 am

What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:15 am

Reikoku wrote:What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.

Gekokujo or bust.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:25 am

Have you ever been such a capitalist you think John D. Rockefeller would've made a great president?
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Just gonna buy candy and eat it at home.
:D

Waiting til tomorrow to buy candy is the true Patrician choice.


> buying candy at all.

Plebs.

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Postby Kyrinasaj » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:35 am

Vince Vaughn wrote:Have you ever been such a capitalist you think John D. Rockefeller would've made a great president?

No, luckily I am not a capitalist
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:49 am

Kyrinasaj wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:Have you ever been such a capitalist you think John D. Rockefeller would've made a great president?

not a capitalist


I'm sorry, we only accept people right of the Business Plot here!

(Just kiddin', capitalism with social programs is the best we got to me though)

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:06 am

I dressed in my Arab clothes for Halloween on campus, and some Arab guy stopped me outside the library, greeted me in Arabic, told me I looked like his dad from a distance, and then told me "don't get shot."
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:07 am

Reikoku wrote:What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.

Strongly disagree. Confucian offered a stable platform for thousands of years of civilization, which will really only be briefly eclipsed by industrial westernization.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:37 am

I don't trust people who lack coherent ideologies tbh.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:38 am

Conserative Morality wrote:I don't trust people who lack coherent ideologies tbh.


And what exactly do you mean by "non-coherent" ideologies?

Because that can rapidly degenerate into meaning "My political ideology is better than yours!".

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:49 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:And what exactly do you mean by "non-coherent" ideologies?

Because that can rapidly degenerate into meaning "My political ideology is better than yours!".

Well, my political ideology *is* better than your's. :p

Any proclaimed ideology that lacks firm and stable principles. Parties of power, client-patron systems, etc.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:51 am

Aellex wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Lacking proper knowledge in this matter, I almost did a spit take reading this.

Let's say that like most other failed Roman dictators, César liked boi-pussy, especially his own, a little too much to the point it became the subject of songs among even his own troops and earned him many titles, chiefs among them the one I already used but also the famous "Husband of all wives, wife of all husbands".

As for him trying to declare himself King, the episode of the Lupercales is the most telling exemple of those velleities of him. Only the boos and jeers of the crowd forced him to refuse the crown he had Antoine present him.


I never thought I'd read "Caesar liked boi pussy" in my life, but here I am.

But who would've thought that a man might've had some tussles with guys!?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:52 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I never thought I'd read "Caesar liked boi pussy" in my life, but here I am.

But who would've thought that a man might've had some tussles with guys!?

In ancient Rome, that was the norm. Caesar was only controversial because it was suspected that he took the 'passive' role.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:54 am

Reikoku wrote:What does RWDT think about Confucianism? I feel it has been one of the most harmful philosophies in East Asia, and its work in stunting East Asian social growth can be felt even today.


One of it's problems is it that while it was certainly an ideology that helped create some measure of internal stability for a while. It is self-authoritative, in partial error of issues of leadership and division of authority, and completely retrograde in matters such as for example trade.

That being said it did not have too difficult competition with legalism and Taoism, which again are interesting in part, but ultimately even more flawed in their own unique ways when it comes to social coherence.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:54 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I never thought I'd read "Caesar liked boi pussy" in my life, but here I am.

But who would've thought that a man might've had some tussles with guys!?

In ancient Rome, that was the norm. Caesar was only controversial because it was suspected that he took the 'passive' role.


Even to this day, the passive role carries some minor stigma, but pretending that Greece and Rome didn't have armies of men very much willing to assclap younger men (particularly teenagers, and sometimes even boys, thus bordering very close on pedophilia) is dumb.

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