Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Northern Davincia]

I only count the cheesy ones whose sole purpose is to be a religious movie. Book Of Eli and Ben Hur amazing movies because, not in spite of, their religious themes. But forget like, "Bibleman" and "God's Not Dead". Even when I was a believer I hated that stuff.

Or Prince of Egypt. That's a really good one.

Risen is also up there in my opinion.

God's Not Dead is mostly useless garbage to literally everyone, although the third movie, surprisingly, was a bit better. It had some really good themes although it also fell into some of the pitfalls of the prior movies.

I was greatly impressed by Risen, I was expecting it to be average.

[Kowani]

I only count the cheesy ones whose sole purpose is to be a religious movie. Book Of Eli and Ben Hur amazing movies because, not in spite of, their religious themes. But forget like, "Bibleman" and "God's Not Dead". Even when I was a believer I hated that stuff.

Or Prince of Egypt. That's a really good one.

Risen is also up there in my opinion.

God's Not Dead is mostly useless garbage to literally everyone, although the third movie, surprisingly, was a bit better. It had some really good themes although it also fell into some of the pitfalls of the prior movies.

I actually liked the Passion of Christ, surprisingly.

[Salus Maior]

Or Prince of Egypt. That's a really good one.

Risen is also up there in my opinion.

God's Not Dead is mostly useless garbage to literally everyone, although the third movie, surprisingly, was a bit better. It had some really good themes although it also fell into some of the pitfalls of the prior movies.

I actually liked the Passion of Christ, surprisingly.

I haven't gotten around to seeing that yet. Just haven't gotten up the nerve to.

[Kowani]

I actually liked the Passion of Christ, surprisingly.

I haven't gotten around to seeing that yet. Just haven't gotten up the nerve to.

It gets uhm...bloody. Very very much so. And brutal. Bring much popcorn. And possibly a bucket.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Ideally, the sex drive will be eliminated in the near future, since it seems to be more trouble than it’s worth, y’know? I mean, if I sound too puritanical, let me know, but for true greatness to be achieved the base desires of the flesh must be nullified. The thing is, when I’ve asked others about such a vision of society, they either call me “overly prudish” or “horrifyingly totalitarian”. I apologize if I seem as such...

Yes, you are kind of acting like that. Do you believe that government should ban people from participating in those activities. Also, God created Adam and Eve and told them to "be fruitful and multiply" and said the creation was good. So I (a virgin right now) and other virgins should be punished by having something taken away from them because of past generations of man have corrupted it? That seems to me one of the things that religions especially Christianity emphatically focus on.

For pornography, my idea is that we should tax highly the production, distribution, and importation of that material, and better standards of health care and education that discusses the downside effects of material, especially psychologically on the mind.

That does seem like a more sensible solution. Tbh, my earlier proposal might stem from an “all or nothing” mentality on my end; trying not to see the world in extremes has been one of the things I’ve been working on for my entire life.

Ideally, the sex drive will be eliminated in the near future, since it seems to be more trouble than it’s worth, y’know? I mean, if I sound too puritanical, let me know, but for true greatness to be achieved the base desires of the flesh must be nullified. The thing is, when I’ve asked others about such a vision of society, they either call me “overly prudish” or “horrifyingly totalitarian”. I apologize if I seem as such...

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

I should probably talk to my therapist about that at my next appointment.

EDIT: I guess what I'm trying to say is that it frustrates me that the world isn't comprised of "perfect morality automatons", and that everything is in... muddled shades of gray. I wish I was a morality automaton, tbh...

[Sirocca]

Ideally, the sex drive will be eliminated in the near future, since it seems to be more trouble than it’s worth, y’know? I mean, if I sound too puritanical, let me know, but for true greatness to be achieved the base desires of the flesh must be nullified. The thing is, when I’ve asked others about such a vision of society, they either call me “overly prudish” or “horrifyingly totalitarian”. I apologize if I seem as such...

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

Who, me or Swaglord?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

Who, me or Swaglord?

Me probably, considering my family has a long, well-documented history of mental illness, and boy did I hit the jackpot in that regard... It's terrible, tbh.

[Sirocca]

Yes, you are kind of acting like that. Do you believe that government should ban people from participating in those activities. Also, God created Adam and Eve and told them to "be fruitful and multiply" and said the creation was good. So I (a virgin right now) and other virgins should be punished by having something taken away from them because of past generations of man have corrupted it? That seems to me one of the things that religions especially Christianity emphatically focus on.

For pornography, my idea is that we should tax highly the production, distribution, and importation of that material, and better standards of health care and education that discusses the downside effects of material, especially psychologically on the mind.

That does seem like a more sensible solution. Tbh, my earlier proposal might stem from an “all or nothing” mentality on my end; trying not to see the world in extremes has been one of the things I’ve been working on for my entire life.

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

Regrettably, a good amount of the population in society is stubborn or ignorant about certain things. At the very least we have a long way to go to change the hearts and minds on this subject.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

That does seem like a more sensible solution. Tbh, my earlier proposal might stem from an “all or nothing” mentality on my end; trying not to see the world in extremes has been one of the things I’ve been working on for my entire life.

Regrettably, a good amount of the population in society is stubborn or ignorant about certain things. At the very least we have a long way to go to change the hearts and minds on this subject.

Admittedly my proposals for policy, however well-intentioned they may be, tend towards impractically-high amounts of authoritarianism.

In hindsight, I doubt most people would allow themselves to have their "base" instincts and drives neuro-surgeried away, leaving only the "noble" aspects of human nature, in order to become a morality automaton, even if I would undergo the procedure in a heartbeat. I guess I should always keep in mind that not everyone is like me, perhaps?

[Northern Davincia]

That does seem like a more sensible solution. Tbh, my earlier proposal might stem from an “all or nothing” mentality on my end; trying not to see the world in extremes has been one of the things I’ve been working on for my entire life.

Regrettably, a good amount of the population in society is stubborn or ignorant about certain things. At the very least we have a long way to go to change the hearts and minds on this subject.

The majority is stubborn and ignorant.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Regrettably, a good amount of the population in society is stubborn or ignorant about certain things. At the very least we have a long way to go to change the hearts and minds on this subject.

The majority is stubborn and ignorant.

Wow, I need an ice pack because that was the hottest take I've read all day.

In all seriousness, though, I'm aware that many people tend towards stubbornly wallowing in ignorance. Why do you think we need laws/society? My answer is that we need laws/society in order to save us from ourselves, y'know?

Memeworthy tl;dr: WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY, and that's a good thing indeed.

[Northern Davincia]

The majority is stubborn and ignorant.

Wow, I need an ice pack because that was the hottest take I've read all day.

In all seriousness, though, I'm aware that many people tend towards stubbornly wallowing in ignorance. Why do you think we need laws/society? My answer is that we need laws/society in order to save us from ourselves, y'know?

You'd be correct.

[Sirocca]

The majority is stubborn and ignorant.

Wow, I need an ice pack because that was the hottest take I've read all day.

In all seriousness, though, I'm aware that many people tend towards stubbornly wallowing in ignorance. Why do you think we need laws/society? My answer is that we need laws/society in order to save us from ourselves, y'know?

Memeworthy tl;dr: WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY, and that's a good thing indeed.

Stubborn ignorance of mass is dangerous to laws/government too. Like today there are a loud minority of people that still have a disproportionate amount of influence in society that say stuff like masculinity is a categorically "evil" or wrong thing and those who believe there should be restrictions on speech that is considered offensive.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Wow, I need an ice pack because that was the hottest take I've read all day.

In all seriousness, though, I'm aware that many people tend towards stubbornly wallowing in ignorance. Why do you think we need laws/society? My answer is that we need laws/society in order to save us from ourselves, y'know?

Memeworthy tl;dr: WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY, and that's a good thing indeed.

Stubborn ignorance of mass is dangerous to laws/government too. Like today there are a loud minority of people that still have a disproportionate amount of influence in society that say stuff like masculinity is a categorically "evil" or wrong thing and those who believe there should be restrictions on speech that is considered offensive.

I mean, both masculinity and femininity are evil; you need not fear. Cybermen will remove fear. Cybermen will remove sex, and class, and colour, and creed. You will become identical. You will become like us.

[Sirocca]

Stubborn ignorance of mass is dangerous to laws/government too. Like today there are a loud minority of people that still have a disproportionate amount of influence in society that say stuff like masculinity is a categorically "evil" or wrong thing and those who believe there should be restrictions on speech that is considered offensive.

I mean, both masculinity and femininity are evil; you need not fear. Cybermen will remove fear. Cybermen will remove sex, and class, and colour, and creed. You will become identical. You will become like us.

Are you cyborg or trans-humanist?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I mean, both masculinity and femininity are evil; you need not fear. Cybermen will remove fear. Cybermen will remove sex, and class, and colour, and creed. You will become identical. You will become like us.

Are you cyborg or trans-humanist?

I'm not a cyborg yet, and I'm cautiously optimistic about transhumanism and the possibilities it opens up for civilization. However, I was making a joking reference to the Cybermen of the show Doctor Who.

[Sirocca]

Are you cyborg or trans-humanist?

I'm not a cyborg yet, and I'm cautiously optimistic about transhumanism and the possibilities it opens up for civilization. However, I was making a joking reference to the Cybermen of the show Doctor Who.

Yeah. I heard that show is very popular with a lot of people.

[Nea Byzantia]

Are you cyborg or trans-humanist?

I'm not a cyborg yet, and I'm cautiously optimistic about transhumanism and the possibilities it opens up for civilization. However, I was making a joking reference to the Cybermen of the show Doctor Who.

Transhumanism strips one of their humanity on some level, because you're trying to become more than human. Its Man trying to play God, and that never ends well. As such, it is an evil that should be avoided, in my opinion. It also opens a whole other can of worms: are such cyborgs, or mutants human? If not, do they have human rights, or any rights at all? This is not the same as providing prosthetics to an injured person or what not, this is the wilfull and unecessary tampering with the human body, to enhance the person's physical or mental abilities in unnatural and unprecedented ways. God only knows what evil that could unleash upon the world - as if our current dilemmas aren't enough, already.

Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD. This is something the Left doesn't understand, and its the reason for our current malaise and self-destruction as a Civilization. Transhumanism is essentially just kicking that up to an 11. Its Liberal at its core; the idea that Humanity can progress beyond its humanity because of Technology. The question ultimately, is not whether or not we CAN start enhancing and completely overriding the human body - with each passing year, it becomes more and more possible - but whether we SHOULD, and whether or not we are losing our humanity in the process.

[Sicaris]

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

I should probably talk to my therapist about that at my next appointment.

EDIT: I guess what I'm trying to say is that it frustrates me that the world isn't comprised of "perfect morality automatons", and that everything is in... muddled shades of gray. I wish I was a morality automaton, tbh...

THE FLESH IS WEAK

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH, PRAISE THE EMPEROR

[Sicaris]

I'm not a cyborg yet, and I'm cautiously optimistic about transhumanism and the possibilities it opens up for civilization. However, I was making a joking reference to the Cybermen of the show Doctor Who.

Transhumanism strips one of their humanity on some level, because you're trying to become more than human. Its Man trying to play God, and that never ends well. As such, it is an evil that should be avoided, in my opinion. It also opens a whole other can of worms: are such cyborgs, or mutants human? If not, do they have human rights, or any rights at all? This is not the same as providing prosthetics to an injured person or what not, this is the wilfull and unecessary tampering with the human body, to enhance the person's physical or mental abilities in unnatural and unprecedented ways. God only knows what evil that could unleash upon the world - as if our current dilemmas aren't enough, already.

Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD. This is something the Left doesn't understand, and its the reason for our current malaise and self-destruction as a Civilization. Transhumanism is essentially just kicking that up to an 11. Its Liberal at its core; the idea that Humanity can progress beyond its humanity because of Technology. The question ultimately, is not whether or not we CAN start enhancing and completely overriding the human body - with each passing year, it becomes more and more possible - but whether we SHOULD, and whether or not we are losing our humanity in the process.

Aw man, and here I was hoping for dick-nukes...

[Kowani]

I'm not a cyborg yet, and I'm cautiously optimistic about transhumanism and the possibilities it opens up for civilization. However, I was making a joking reference to the Cybermen of the show Doctor Who.

Transhumanism strips one of their humanity on some level, because you're trying to become more than human.

Yeah, how dare we go beyond nature...

Its Man trying to play God, and that never ends well. As such, it is an evil that should be avoided, in my opinion.

Considering how shitty a job God did when designing the human body(with omniscience, mind you), we can do better than him. If he exists at all.

It also opens a whole other can of worms: are such cyborgs, or mutants human?

Yes. We have people with Neanderthal DNA running around today, and nobody denies their humanity.

If not, do they have human rights, or any rights at all?

See above.

This is not the same as providing prosthetics to an injured person or what not, this is the wilfull and unecessary tampering with the human body, to enhance the person's physical or mental abilities in unnatural and unprecedented ways. God only knows what evil that could unleash upon the world - as if our current dilemmas aren't enough, already.

So, I’ve said this hundreds of times, but natural does not mean good. Enhancement would be, on the whole, good for humanity, if done safely.

Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD.

But in this case, it should.

This is something the Left doesn't understand, and its the reason for our current malaise and self-destruction as a Civilization. Transhumanism is essentially just kicking that up to an 11. Its Liberal at its core; the idea that Humanity can progress beyond its humanity because of Technology.

Your tirade aside, technology is the best tool we have for solving many problems today.

The question ultimately, is not whether or not we CAN start enhancing and completely overriding the human body - with each passing year, it becomes more and more possible - but whether we SHOULD,

We should.

and whether or not we are losing our humanity in the process.

Well, if by losing our humanity you mean getting rid of genetic defects, then yeah. Or did you mean the vague references to humanity that get evoked to draw emotion without actually being defined? Which, I’ll note, is something you did here.

[Nea Byzantia]

Transhumanism strips one of their humanity on some level, because you're trying to become more than human.

Yeah, how dare we go beyond nature...

Its Man trying to play God, and that never ends well. As such, it is an evil that should be avoided, in my opinion.

Considering how shitty a job God did when designing the human body(with omniscience, mind you), we can do better than him. If he exists at all.

It also opens a whole other can of worms: are such cyborgs, or mutants human?

Yes. We have people with Neanderthal DNA running around today, and nobody denies their humanity.

If not, do they have human rights, or any rights at all?

See above.

This is not the same as providing prosthetics to an injured person or what not, this is the wilfull and unecessary tampering with the human body, to enhance the person's physical or mental abilities in unnatural and unprecedented ways. God only knows what evil that could unleash upon the world - as if our current dilemmas aren't enough, already.

So, I’ve said this hundreds of times, but natural does not mean good. Enhancement would be, on the whole, good for humanity, if done safely.

Just because something CAN be done, doesn't mean it SHOULD.

But in this case, it should.

This is something the Left doesn't understand, and its the reason for our current malaise and self-destruction as a Civilization. Transhumanism is essentially just kicking that up to an 11. Its Liberal at its core; the idea that Humanity can progress beyond its humanity because of Technology.

Your tirade aside, technology is the best tool we have for solving many problems today.

The question ultimately, is not whether or not we CAN start enhancing and completely overriding the human body - with each passing year, it becomes more and more possible - but whether we SHOULD,

We should.

and whether or not we are losing our humanity in the process.

Well, if by losing our humanity you mean getting rid of genetic defects, then yeah. Or did you mean the vague references to humanity that get evoked to draw emotion without actually being defined? Which, I’ll note, is something you did here.

You say yourself that you are a proud atheist and materialist - thus for you Humanity is interchangeable; a tabula rasa. So how can we see eye-to-eye on this issue, if we do not agree on the fundamentals.

[Kowani]

Yeah, how dare we go beyond nature... Considering how shitty a job God did when designing the human body(with omniscience, mind you), we can do better than him. If he exists at all. Yes. We have people with Neanderthal DNA running around today, and nobody denies their humanity. See above. So, I’ve said this hundreds of times, but natural does not mean good. Enhancement would be, on the whole, good for humanity, if done safely.
But in this case, it should.
Your tirade aside, technology is the best tool we have for solving many problems today.
We should.
Well, if by losing our humanity you mean getting rid of genetic defects, then yeah. Or did you mean the vague references to humanity that get evoked to draw emotion without actually being defined? Which, I’ll note, is something you did here.

You say yourself that you are a proud atheist and materialist - thus for you Humanity is interchangeable; a tabula rasa. So how can we see eye-to-eye on this issue, if we do not agree on the fundamentals.

Well, you could start by defining what those fundamentals actually are.

[Nea Byzantia]

You say yourself that you are a proud atheist and materialist - thus for you Humanity is interchangeable; a tabula rasa. So how can we see eye-to-eye on this issue, if we do not agree on the fundamentals.

Well, you could start by defining what those fundamentals actually are.

Belief in God, Belief in Christianity (Orthodox Christianity in particular), Belief in Monarchy, Rejection of Enlightenment philosophy (specifically, atheism, anti-clericalism, progressivism, etc), Belief in Traditional Gender Roles and Family Roles, etc.

That's where I'm coming at all this from. You are coming at this from almost completely the opposite point of view...which is fine. You're being entirely consistent with your worldview, and I am being the same with mine.

[Kowani]

Well, you could start by defining what those fundamentals actually are.

Belief in God, Belief in Christianity (Orthodox Christianity in particular), Belief in Monarchy, Rejection of Enlightenment philosophy (specifically, atheism, anti-clericalism, progressivism, etc), Belief in Traditional Gender Roles and Family Roles, etc.

...I see your point, we agree on literally nothing.