Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Northern Davincia]

Quebec would just be a French version of New England, we already have one.

Manifest Destiny has no stopping point.

[Baltenstein]

German anti-Frankism was religiously, rather than ethnically, motivated. Charlemagne was portrayed in a bad light because he was Catholic, unlike the Prussians.

...As was everyone in Western Christendom at the time.

And besides, Charlemagne and his sons were as much responsible for the emergence of Germany as he was for France.

Ahem, I explicitedly used the past perfect and was talking about Imperial Germany, not the present.

[Aellex]

>Germania was a LATIN term

ok barbarian

Yeah, but it was used to describe people from, well, Germany, which is where the Franks were originally from.

Interestingly, France in the Greek language is known as "Gallia" - from the Gauls. The Greek language holds the Frenchies' heritage in higher esteem than the French themselves do.

And interestingly, the Greeks are used as a synonym for homosexuals and degenerates (not even kidding or upping it up for the sake of bantz) in the French language.
It seems we both are pretty aware of who respectively founded and defined the national characteristics of our nations. :^)

[Salus Maior]

...As was everyone in Western Christendom at the time.

And besides, Charlemagne and his sons were as much responsible for the emergence of Germany as he was for France.

Ahem, I explicitedly used the past perfect and was talking about Imperial Germany, not the present.

I thought that Germany would have praised Germany's past imperial incarnation in the HRE.

[Valrifell]

Ahem, I explicitedly used the past perfect and was talking about Imperial Germany, not the present.

I thought that Germany would have praised Germany's past imperial incarnation in the HRE.

They do. Otto's HRE.

The HRE that de-facto dissolved after Charlemagne's death is quietly ignored by German nationalists.

[Baltenstein]

Yeah, but it was used to describe people from, well, Germany, which is where the Franks were originally from.

Interestingly, France in the Greek language is known as "Gallia" - from the Gauls. The Greek language holds the Frenchies' heritage in higher esteem than the French themselves do.

And interestingly, the Greeks are used as a synonym for homosexuals and degenerates (not even kidding or upping it up for the sake of bantz) in the French language.

Of course they are, I mean is there any nation you don't hold in whiny and completely unjustified contempt? :^)

And French people calling other nations effeminate is, as the English would say, a bit rich. I'm pretty sure if was you lot who introduced the concept of "decadence" to the world.

[Dresderstan]

Quebec would just be a French version of New England, we already have one.

Manifest Destiny has no stopping point.

I'm also not a fan of unnecessary HOI4 style border gore between the US and Canada by acquiring Quebec.

[Baltenstein]

Ahem, I explicitedly used the past perfect and was talking about Imperial Germany, not the present.

I thought that Germany would have praised Germany's past imperial incarnation in the HRE.

It was...a mixed bag. Imperial Germany - and the Nazis - liked the whole empire-thing, but they disliked the Catholic thing.

Keep in mind that I was talking about the Frankish Empire. The portrayal of the HRE - the one founded by Otto I. 150 years or so later - was more positive, yet not completely enthusiastic either. Do remember that Germany's bloodiest war in history had been fought between said HRE and German protestants (Martin Luther being hailed as one of THE national heroes in Imperial German and Nazi German popular historiography), and the modern incarnation of the HRE - the Austro-Hungarian Empire - was still around as a potential geopolitical rival (that is, until they were forced into being Germany's little junior partner).

[Northern Davincia]

Manifest Destiny has no stopping point.

I'm also not a fan of unnecessary HOI4 style border gore between the US and Canada by acquiring Quebec.

Which is precisely why we can't stop at Quebec.

[Salus Maior]

Also, for the record I actually like the French language.

They have some neato Crusader songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxCiIXRaWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kV3geloYzo

And hymns in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzs7DZuuCEk

Of course, that's when France was actually cool :^)

[Aellex]

Of course they are, I mean is there any nation you don't hold in whiny and completely unjustified contempt? :^)

And French people calling other nations effeminate is, as the English would say, a bit rich. I'm pretty sure if was you lot who introduced the concept of "decadence" to the world.

Our dislike and contempt is only ever justified. :^)

Silly Greek, it's not rich at all, you're just confusing acting like a woman with getting them.
Won't lie tho, it's gonna be a little hard for you to pull a "no u" when you have a reputation for being sodomites since even before the classical era.

[Autarkheia]

Arabic is the lingua franca of Muslims, so yeah.

Again, I consider it to be an unnecessary aspect of Islam (i.e. everything has to be Arabic somehow).

Like I said, Catholics don't go around speaking Latin, they speak in their native tongue (and that includes the religious texts, which have been translated into God knows how many languages).

IME most Muslims use Arabic words more than Catholics use Latin and this is normal to them. Islam is practiced by a ton of different ethnicities from a large part of the world so it's one thing that unites them. Jews are the same with Hebrew. But unlike Muslims and Jews who often know at least basic Arabic and Hebrew, Catholics don't learn Latin at all anymore.
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On that topic, Latin sucks. Boring language. Its daughter languages are okay though. As far as liturgical languages, I've always liked the appearance of Arabic and the sound of Hebrew.

On the topic of language what is everyone's opinion on constructed languages and their uses in a political context, good, bad, the road to complete government control over how people speak and think?

Conlangs are a hobby for dorky teens who want to use them for a sci-fi or fantasy board game or something. Imposing one on a whole nation wouldn't work. The most successful conlangs have barely any native speakers. The closest thing to this that has ever happened is when Zionism revived Hebrew and made it the language of Israel, but it wasn't a conlang but just a simplified and updated version of it.

Although Orwell popularized this trope, most linguists no longer think it is possible to control thought via language. I remember this was debunked in a linguistics class I took.
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Going back to the discussion about Occitan, what are this thread's thoughts on preserving minority cultures? Shouldn't right-wingers want to do that because it's part of a nation's traditions and heritage?

[Aellex]

Also, for the record I actually like the French language.

They have some neato Crusader songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxCiIXRaWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kV3geloYzo

And hymns in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzs7DZuuCEk

Of course, that's when France was actually cool :^)

Shush.

But yes, le roi Louis is a truly beautiful song and one I found myself knowing by heart from listening to it so much.
The French equivalent of Palastinalied is very good too : https://youtu.be/k-gTUUgZCQo

And to bury the war axe and any ill-feeling, here is some hymn to the glory of Albion's patron Saint : https://youtu.be/qT4pTWm8p0M

[Baltenstein]

Of course they are, I mean is there any nation you don't hold in whiny and completely unjustified contempt? :^)

And French people calling other nations effeminate is, as the English would say, a bit rich. I'm pretty sure if was you lot who introduced the concept of "decadence" to the world.

Our dislike and contempt is only ever justified. :^)

Silly Greek, it's not rich at all, you're just confusing acting like a woman with getting them.
Won't lie tho, it's gonna be a little hard for you to pull a "no u" when you have a reputation for being sodomites since even before the classical era.

By "acting like a woman", do you mean wearing make-up, lipstick, pompous wigs, drowning yourself in perfume and prancing around in high heels and skinny tights?

[Baltenstein]

On that topic, Latin sucks. Boring language.

I don't know about that, it has provided us with many an ominous dramatic choir in Sci-Fi and/or Fantasy settings.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They don't care if a few bleeding hearts need to be crushed in order to secure national sovereignty, and have kept their country largely intact because of this.

>Tfw protesting cultural suppression is just crocodile tears

So you do actually admit the writing and pronunciation are different.

Because we don't write phonetically and neither do English or any language, lol.

Actually some languages are written phonetically.

What's with all the france-hate in this thread?

Yeah I just wanted some fun banter about which language is best and now people are in a war over it

I unironically believe in the concept of a North American Union (USA, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean), but let's overlook that for a second...

Quebec would only join the US if the latter had strong guarantees that the French-Canadian language and culture would be preserved.

The US and, specifically, the state of Louisiana is perfectly fine with local folk trying to revive their creole language and culture, so they'll be fine.

Yeah, Louisana Creole is pretty cool.

Islam is practiced by a ton of different ethnicities from a large part of the world so it's one thing that unites them.

Yeah, and on top of the fact that we use Arabic in our Salaat (prayers), it shouldn't come as a surprise that natakallamu 3arby fee (we speak Arabic in) our conversations sometimes.

Going back to the discussion about Occitan, what are this thread's thoughts on preserving minority cultures? Shouldn't right-wingers want to do that because it's part of a nation's traditions and heritage?

Exactly! It's hypocritical tyat right-wingers wanna preserve culture when a bunch of immigrants come in but when there's various native cultures already in one's country they wanna kill it.

[Aellex]

Our dislike and contempt is only ever justified. :^)

Silly Greek, it's not rich at all, you're just confusing acting like a woman with getting them.
Won't lie tho, it's gonna be a little hard for you to pull a "no u" when you have a reputation for being sodomites since even before the classical era.

By "acting like a woman", do you mean wearing make-up, lipstick, pompous wigs, drowning yourself in perfume and prancing around in high heels and skinny tights?

I was more thinking of getting yourself rammed in the ass but I'd forgotten the helenic love for traps, my bad.

[Diopolis]

So you do actually admit the writing and pronunciation are different.

Because we don't write phonetically and neither do English or any language, lol.

Spanish, Korean, and Finnish, among other languages, write phonetically.
Of course English and French are both written by having a blind toddler throw letters handed to him by a monkey at a dartboard, but not every language is the same way.

Your claiming oversimplification is an admission of guilt.

Saying that English is just French spoken with a bad accent is also an oversimplification tho technically just as true. :^)

That's completely false. English is a creole language between Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse with significant numbers of French loanwords.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because we don't write phonetically and neither do English or any language, lol.

Spanish, Korean, and Finnish, among other languages, write phonetically.

In the case of Spanish this isn't 100% true. The letter g has 2 different pronunciations.

Of course English and French are both written by having a blind toddler throw letters handed to him by a monkey at a dartboard, but not every language is the same way.

That's completely false. English is a creole language between Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse with significant numbers of French loanwords.

Yeah, why isn't English considered a creole language.

[Diopolis]

Again, I consider it to be an unnecessary aspect of Islam (i.e. everything has to be Arabic somehow).

Like I said, Catholics don't go around speaking Latin, they speak in their native tongue (and that includes the religious texts, which have been translated into God knows how many languages).

IME most Muslims use Arabic words more than Catholics use Latin and this is normal to them. Islam is practiced by a ton of different ethnicities from a large part of the world so it's one thing that unites them. Jews are the same with Hebrew. But unlike Muslims and Jews who often know at least basic Arabic and Hebrew, Catholics don't learn Latin at all anymore.
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On that topic, Latin sucks. Boring language. Its daughter languages are okay though. As far as liturgical languages, I've always liked the appearance of Arabic and the sound of Hebrew.

On the topic of language what is everyone's opinion on constructed languages and their uses in a political context, good, bad, the road to complete government control over how people speak and think?

Conlangs are a hobby for dorky teens who want to use them for a sci-fi or fantasy board game or something. Imposing one on a whole nation wouldn't work. The most successful conlangs have barely any native speakers. The closest thing to this that has ever happened is when Zionism revived Hebrew and made it the language of Israel, but it wasn't a conlang but just a simplified and updated version of it.

Although Orwell popularized this trope, most linguists no longer think it is possible to control thought via language. I remember this was debunked in a linguistics class I took.
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Going back to the discussion about Occitan, what are this thread's thoughts on preserving minority cultures? Shouldn't right-wingers want to do that because it's part of a nation's traditions and heritage?

Why else do you think I learned how to make Gumbo Z'herbes?

[Baltenstein]

By "acting like a woman", do you mean wearing make-up, lipstick, pompous wigs, drowning yourself in perfume and prancing around in high heels and skinny tights?

I was more thinking of getting yourself rammed in the ass but I'd forgotten the helenic love for traps, my bad.

Fair enough, I think there was a fellow once whose name became a synonym for sexual perversion, he may have been Greek but he may also have been of a different, more depraved nationality, I think his name was Sados, or Sadicos, something like that? I can't quite remember it right.

[Diopolis]

Spanish, Korean, and Finnish, among other languages, write phonetically.

In the case of Spanish this isn't 100% true. The letter g has 2 different pronunciations.

If you're talking about the hard/soft g distinction, that's regularly marked and predictable from the orthography.

Of course English and French are both written by having a blind toddler throw letters handed to him by a monkey at a dartboard, but not every language is the same way.

That's completely false. English is a creole language between Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse with significant numbers of French loanwords.

Yeah, why isn't English considered a creole language.

Because it's been a creole for long enough to develop out of many of its creoley-er features.

[Aellex]

I was more thinking of getting yourself rammed in the ass but I'd forgotten the helenic love for traps, my bad.

Indeed, I think there was a fellow once whose name became a synonym for sexual perversion, he may have been Greek but he may also have been of a different, more depraved nationality, I think his name was Sados, or Sadicos, something like that? I can't quite remember it right.

I mean, the fact that he was jailed or interned in asylum for most of his life rather than put in power or as a teacher for rulers is rather telling of the difference of attitude toward what he preached. :^)

[Novus America]

They don't care if a few bleeding hearts need to be crushed in order to secure national sovereignty, and have kept their country largely intact because of this.

>Tfw protesting cultural suppression is just crocodile tears

Because we don't write phonetically and neither do English or any language, lol.

Actually some languages are written phonetically.

What's with all the france-hate in this thread?

Yeah I just wanted some fun banter about which language is best and now people are in a war over it

The US and, specifically, the state of Louisiana is perfectly fine with local folk trying to revive their creole language and culture, so they'll be fine.

Yeah, Louisana Creole is pretty cool.

Islam is practiced by a ton of different ethnicities from a large part of the world so it's one thing that unites them.

Yeah, and on top of the fact that we use Arabic in our Salaat (prayers), it shouldn't come as a surprise that natakallamu 3arby fee (we speak Arabic in) our conversations sometimes.

Going back to the discussion about Occitan, what are this thread's thoughts on preserving minority cultures? Shouldn't right-wingers want to do that because it's part of a nation's traditions and heritage?

Exactly! It's hypocritical tyat right-wingers wanna preserve culture when a bunch of immigrants come in but when there's various native cultures already in one's country they wanna kill it.

Certainly it is hypocritical to destroy local cultures, while claiming to protect yours.
I oppose the destruction of localized culture in the US.

I have no problem with Hawaii wanting to preserve Hawaiian culture, or Louisiana using the code Napoleon as the basis for their legal system.

I have no problem with other cultures, within reason.
If a cultures has values that are a threat to the rights of others, they have to reject that part before they come here though.

Also immigrants need to learn English, but they can keep their own language as well.

Not because English is better per se, but for the sake of safety and ease of administration.

[Baltenstein]

Indeed, I think there was a fellow once whose name became a synonym for sexual perversion, he may have been Greek but he may also have been of a different, more depraved nationality, I think his name was Sados, or Sadicos, something like that? I can't quite remember it right.

I mean, the fact that he was jailed or interned in asylum for most of his life

Was that before or after you gave him a position of government? Oh wait - it was both! Well done France, well done.