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Postby Zex » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:We all know that there are certain left-wing posters here who do little else than constantly post-and-run with ridiculous strawbait with the direct intention of winding up anyone and everyone on the other side, but who nevertheless have relatively "clean" records. We also know that it often takes only the very slightest of hostility in return for them to then make a report to moderation.

Ya, we know, it's call "Mods as Weapon". It used to happen so much that several people organized and started counter-reporting.
It seems that mods have already forgotten how bad things got last time, it seems mods need to be reminded once again.

It's actually quite easy, just defend Nazis. Then someone will call you an Nazi (which IS against the rules because such an accusation WILL have real consequences) and they get warned/banned.
Actually, several leftists who posted in this topic are report-able on just the grounds I've stated above. Lucky for them, I don't much care.

Normally I just target people from the gender illness thread because they are my preferred prey.
Honestly, if mods keep this up the old gang might just get back together again.

Good times, regardless, just don't take NS debates seriously while thinking logically and know that people are openly being facetious in the manner they debate solely to banned you.
If you keep this simple bit of advice while on this site, you will remain unban.

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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:11 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Genivaria wrote:AnComs, Fascists, and Bolsheviks arguing and I'm just a Democratic Socialist over here eating popcorn.


>calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"
>almost always just a Social Democrat

*obnoxiously eats a chip*

Very few DemSocs are actually DemSocs, they are SocDems, but the term "Socialist" sounds cool and epic.

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I wouldn't say that 1984 is targeting anything specific other than authoritarianism.


I'm pretty sure that 1984 doesn't target authoritarianism, but totalitarianism.


You know - the older I get, the less I have come to despise socialism and communism. I am not a marxist by any means mind you, but certainly I now see the benefit of public property in some occasions over privatization ( all be it from a nationalist point of view, and not an internationalist one ).
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Zex wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:We all know that there are certain left-wing posters here who do little else than constantly post-and-run with ridiculous strawbait with the direct intention of winding up anyone and everyone on the other side, but who nevertheless have relatively "clean" records. We also know that it often takes only the very slightest of hostility in return for them to then make a report to moderation.

Ya, we know, it's call "Mods as Weapon". It used to happen so much that several people organized and started counter-reporting.
It seems that mods have already forgotten how bad things got last time, it seems mods need to be reminded once again.

It's actually quite easy, just defend Nazis. Then someone will call you an Nazi (which IS against the rules because such an accusation WILL have real consequences) and they get warned/banned.
Actually, several leftists who posted in this topic are report-able on just the grounds I've stated above. Lucky for them, I don't much care.

Normally I just target people from the gender illness thread because they are my preferred prey.
Honestly, if mods keep this up the old gang might just get back together again.

Good times, regardless, just don't take NS debates seriously while thinking logically and know that people are openly being facetious in the manner they debate solely to banned you.
If you keep this simple bit of advice while on this site, you will remain unban.


Friendly reminder that said thread is called "The Transgender Thread", not "The Gender Illness Thread". If you are so keen on sticking to it, the appropriate term for you would be "Gender Dysphoria".

Second of all, you are discussing about reporting people for namecalling (which is perfectly acceptable, I am not denying that), but you go ahead and do this a single paragraph down.

Not what I'd call a shining example.

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:17 pm

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Torrocca wrote:Who gives a fuck? They still committed war crimes regardless of whether or not they were signatories.
You should go back a few of our replays and you'll see that I'm arguing, by definition, no war crime were committed. Just because now so many nations are signed onto a bill, and the world is more organized, doesn't mean you can redefine history. Nazi Germany committed zero crimes against humanity, Nazi Germany committed zero war crimes. Fact, by every object and subject method one can use to measure these kind of things.

Torrocca wrote:Ah, yeah, I'm fucking certain that you have verifiable, unbiased, factually-correct sources to prove that the USSR some-fucking-how attacked Nazi Germany with Jewish people.
Not necessary, it is normally the responsibility of the one with the crackpot theory to prove their point when it goes against the grain of well established fact (in this case, that jews played a major roll both in Russia and German soviet/communist parties). The ball is in your court on this one.

Torrocca wrote:Show us where I said that the rapes never happened, and prove that these orders were mere propaganda and not designed specifically to stop the rapes.
Lol what the fuck, the Soviets didn't even break into Germany until the beginning of 1945.
Please read what I am typing, I'm not just doing it for my own health. . . But yours as well. People bring up the order as a means nullifying or lessening what the soviets did. Hence why I started the first part of my reply with, "Classic soviet apologetic". And it is propaganda, unless your poor attempt to muddy the water was done for other reasons beside political (possible, maybe, but I didn't give your the benefit of the doubt). Regardless, they (the orders) where not given until after Germany proper was invaded. I was also referring the the Greater Nazi Empire at the time, and allies, not just the mere boarders of Germany because commies rape there way across those parts of Europe also.

Torrocca wrote:Lol nah, fuck that noise. And fuck this stupid fucking pro-Nazi conspiracy bullshit you're peddling as well, more importantly.

Pro-Nazi, no sir, I'm neither pro nor anti nazi... I'm just point out the lack of wrongness in their actions.

That's also known as being pro-nazi.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:27 pm

So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:29 pm

Diopolis wrote:So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?


Night shows in general are the bottom of the barrel of boomer comedy.

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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?


Night shows in general are the bottom of the barrel of boomer comedy.


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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:31 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?


Night shows in general are the bottom of the barrel of boomer comedy.

It wasn't a comedy show. It was the first time I can remember that a major conservative pundit turned against free-market capitalism.
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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:34 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Night shows in general are the bottom of the barrel of boomer comedy.

It wasn't a comedy show. It was the first time I can remember that a major conservative pundit turned against free-market capitalism.


Ill have to check it out - sounds interesting.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:35 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Night shows in general are the bottom of the barrel of boomer comedy.

It wasn't a comedy show. It was the first time I can remember that a major conservative pundit turned against free-market capitalism.


I genuinely think that conservatism needs a damn good reform.

You can be a conservative and still support social programs, but opposing excessive and/or reckless spending.

You can support family values and traditions without this retarded religion boner shoving itself in such affairs.

Hell, you could even support the reintroduction of home economics in school!

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:37 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It wasn't a comedy show. It was the first time I can remember that a major conservative pundit turned against free-market capitalism.


I genuinely think that conservatism needs a damn good reform.

You can be a conservative and still support social programs, but opposing excessive and/or reckless spending.

You can support family values and traditions without this retarded religion boner shoving itself in such affairs.

Hell, you could even support the reintroduction of home economics in school!

Yeah, the american education system's college boner isn't helping anything.
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Postby Zex » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:39 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Second of all, you are discussing about reporting people for namecalling (which is perfectly acceptable, I am not denying that), but you go ahead and do this a single paragraph down.

Not what I'd call a shining example.
You misunderstand, I actually want this site to get worse. The only reason I'm informing people about it is because I expect them to fail, considering it didn't really help in the long run.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Zex wrote:Normally I just target people from the gender illness thread because they are my preferred prey.
Honestly, if mods keep this up the old gang might just get back together again.


Friendly reminder that said thread is called "The Transgender Thread", not "The Gender Illness Thread". If you are so keen on sticking to it, the appropriate term for you would be "Gender Dysphoria".
I hope you see the iorny of what happened here.

Gender Dysphoria, illness relating to ones gender, gender illness.
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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:40 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Diopolis wrote:It wasn't a comedy show. It was the first time I can remember that a major conservative pundit turned against free-market capitalism.


I genuinely think that conservatism needs a damn good reform.

You can be a conservative and still support social programs, but opposing excessive and/or reckless spending.

You can support family values and traditions without this retarded religion boner shoving itself in such affairs.

Hell, you could even support the reintroduction of home economics in school!


Without religion, conservatism doesn't really make sense to me. You want religiously inspired values and virtues, but you don't want the faith which spawned them in the first place? You're pretty much just subscribing to aesthetics at that point. It's like an atheist getting baptized cause he thinks it looks fun.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:48 pm

Zex wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Second of all, you are discussing about reporting people for namecalling (which is perfectly acceptable, I am not denying that), but you go ahead and do this a single paragraph down.

Not what I'd call a shining example.
You misunderstand, I actually want this site to get worse. The only reason I'm informing people about it is because I expect them to fail, considering it didn't really help in the long run.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Friendly reminder that said thread is called "The Transgender Thread", not "The Gender Illness Thread". If you are so keen on sticking to it, the appropriate term for you would be "Gender Dysphoria".
I hope you see the iorny of what happened here.

Gender Dysphoria, illness relating to ones gender, gender illness.


Gender dysphoria is the term you use if you do not want to get whacked by the mods.

That said, I'll keep calling 'em transgenders, because I can partially sympathize with them out of comprehension of my own condition.

Joohan wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I genuinely think that conservatism needs a damn good reform.

You can be a conservative and still support social programs, but opposing excessive and/or reckless spending.

You can support family values and traditions without this retarded religion boner shoving itself in such affairs.

Hell, you could even support the reintroduction of home economics in school!


Without religion, conservatism doesn't really make sense to me. You want religiously inspired values and virtues, but you don't want the faith which spawned them in the first place? You're pretty much just subscribing to aesthetics at that point. It's like an atheist getting baptized cause he thinks it looks fun.


Economical conservatism can and has discarded any traces of religion whatsoever, and social conservatism can do so perfectly fine.

Social conservatism can include religion, but in these modern days, making it the center of social conservatism simply will not attract many.

Like I said, the encouragement of home economics and family values (which LGBT folk can indeed have) can be done without religion.

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Postby Joohan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:53 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Zex wrote:You misunderstand, I actually want this site to get worse. The only reason I'm informing people about it is because I expect them to fail, considering it didn't really help in the long run.

I hope you see the iorny of what happened here.

Gender Dysphoria, illness relating to ones gender, gender illness.


Gender dysphoria is the term you use if you do not want to get whacked by the mods.

That said, I'll keep calling 'em transgenders, because I can partially sympathize with them out of comprehension of my own condition.

Joohan wrote:
Without religion, conservatism doesn't really make sense to me. You want religiously inspired values and virtues, but you don't want the faith which spawned them in the first place? You're pretty much just subscribing to aesthetics at that point. It's like an atheist getting baptized cause he thinks it looks fun.


Economical conservatism can and has discarded any traces of religion whatsoever, and social conservatism can do so perfectly fine.

Social conservatism can include religion, but in these modern days, making it the center of social conservatism simply will not attract many.

Like I said, the encouragement of home economics and family values (which LGBT folk can indeed have) can be done without religion.


There's nothing conservative about plutocracy and consumerism, aside from they been around for a while. And again, without the foundation and basis for these values and virtues, you're really just subscribing to aesthetics. The feels.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:59 pm

Joohan wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Gender dysphoria is the term you use if you do not want to get whacked by the mods.

That said, I'll keep calling 'em transgenders, because I can partially sympathize with them out of comprehension of my own condition.



Economical conservatism can and has discarded any traces of religion whatsoever, and social conservatism can do so perfectly fine.

Social conservatism can include religion, but in these modern days, making it the center of social conservatism simply will not attract many.

Like I said, the encouragement of home economics and family values (which LGBT folk can indeed have) can be done without religion.


There's nothing conservative about plutocracy and consumerism, aside from they been around for a while. And again, without the foundation and basis for these values and virtues, you're really just subscribing to aesthetics. The feels.

It's quite possible to have family values conservatism that's not particularly devoutly religious- although not common in my part of the world- but a completely secular social conservatism is kinda weird and usually something you only see in odd circumstances. And it's worth mentioning that economic conservatism is just a term for whatever economic beliefs get associated with social conservatism these days.
I've seen nonreligious social conservatism before. But the homophobic biker gang isn't a particularly good exemplar of family values regardless.
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Postby Darussalam » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:01 pm

Joohan wrote:You're pretty much just subscribing to aesthetics at that point.

You're saying this like it's supposed to be a bad thing.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:05 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Like I said, the encouragement of home economics and family values (which LGBT folk can indeed have) can be done without religion.


Or you could join the LGBT-affirming Mainline Protestant gang. :^)
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Postby Darussalam » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?

Carlson chose to embrace leftist (i.e New Deal) zeitgeist. Good for him.
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Postby Zex » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Diopolis wrote:So, anyone have any particular thoughts on Tucker Carlson's wednesday night show?

It was amusing and I further add that nothing about capitalism under Adam Smith's 'the wealth of nations' makes it necessary to hold laissez-faire opinions to still be a capitalist.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:14 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Genivaria wrote:AnComs, Fascists, and Bolsheviks arguing and I'm just a Democratic Socialist over here eating popcorn.


>calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"
>almost always just a Social Democrat

*obnoxiously eats a chip*

Very few DemSocs are actually DemSocs, they are SocDems, but the term "Socialist" sounds cool and epic.

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I wouldn't say that 1984 is targeting anything specific other than authoritarianism.


I'm pretty sure that 1984 doesn't target authoritarianism, but totalitarianism.

It's funny you think those are mutually exclusive.

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Postby Zex » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:17 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Zex wrote:You misunderstand, I actually want this site to get worse. The only reason I'm informing people about it is because I expect them to fail, considering it didn't really help in the long run.

I hope you see the iorny of what happened here.

Gender Dysphoria, illness relating to ones gender, gender illness.


Gender dysphoria is the term you use if you do not want to get whacked by the mods.
Perhaps in their threads, yes. Out here, I'll be perfectly fine. You, on the other hand, should know that most people hate furries.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:You can support family values and traditions without this retarded religion boner shoving itself in such affairs.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:20 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Like I said, the encouragement of home economics and family values (which LGBT folk can indeed have) can be done without religion.


Or you could join the LGBT-affirming Mainline Protestant gang. :^)


This is peak heresy tbh
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Or you could join the LGBT-affirming Mainline Protestant gang. :^)


This is peak heresy tbh

Not even close.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:24 pm

Zex wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Gender dysphoria is the term you use if you do not want to get whacked by the mods.
Perhaps in their threads, yes. Out here, I'll be perfectly fine. You, on the other hand, should know that most people hate furries.

Furries =/= transgenders
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