Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Conserative Morality]

Ah, is it genocide supporting time?

Wh*tes aren't human.

Irish aren't white. =^)

We need to make Nat Turner look like a fucking pacifist.

Okay but Nat Turner did literally nothing wrong. Slavers aren't human.

[Genivaria]

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

[Confederate States of German America]

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

Wow, I'm surprised you're actually participating for once.

[Genivaria]

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

Wow, I'm surprised you're actually participating for once.

???

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Wh*tes aren't human.

Irish aren't white. =^)

We need to make Nat Turner look like a fucking pacifist.

Okay but Nat Turner did literally nothing wrong. Slavers aren't human.

Considering they have human anatomy they are human. And are the claims that killed white children of slavers true?

[Nietzschean Jihad]

Irish aren't white. =^)

Okay but Nat Turner did literally nothing wrong. Slavers aren't human.

Considering they have human anatomy they are human. And are the claims that killed white children of slavers true?

You might need a sarcasm detector

[Conserative Morality]

Irish aren't white. =^)

Okay but Nat Turner did literally nothing wrong. Slavers aren't human.

Considering they have human anatomy they are human. And are the claims that killed white children of slavers true?

Nits make lice. =^^^^^)

[Novus America]

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

It is debated on whether or not it was genocide (attempt to destroy a race or ethnicity) or mere brutal religious and political oppression. Either way, Cromwell was a brutal dictator who killed vast numbers of Irish.

[Fahran]

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

Cromwell did practice ethnic cleansing at least and it's estimated that between 200,000 and 600,000 were killed in his conquest of Ireland. Given that Ireland had one million inhabitants in 1600 and around three million in 1700, this would have represented as much as a quarter of the population dead from disease, hunger, and atrocities. I'd call it a genocidal level of violence, especially since ethnic cleansing, ethnic propaganda, and massacres of civilians were documented.

[The Feylands]

You have a lot of anger in your heart. Do you want to talk about it? I’m not trolling, I just read your post and it gave me a concern. : (

Chill... I have this little habit of getting a little excited when I finally decide to do something. It's a superpower they call ADHD.

Thanks for the concern though.

Huh. What does Islam and Christianity “do” to societies?

Well.. Islam is not only a religion, but a juridical system that ranks people's value according to their religion ("pagans" have no value at all and may be enslaved and plundered from in perpetuity.. to be fair - Christians acted like this too when they conquered Europe) and endorses various forms of cruelty and violence to humans and other animals alike. It's Abrahamism on steroids - the fulfilment of YHWH:s grand scheme to enslave the world. X-tianity is based on the same principles but fails to detail a juridical system to enforce YHWH:s totalitarian ideology - so its only natural someone would come up with one. No one of us can know for sure, of course, but it seems that the true nature of the god of the bible is an entity that goes around in the desert and promise to fulfil various people's desires in exchange for worship (and if you like the Jesus fellow, who is arguably teaching stuff that is closer to Dharma than anyone else in the bible, you may note that he meets an entity that behaves like YHWH usually does with his prospective "prophets" and rejects it as the devil even according to the bible itself in Matthew 4:1-11)

Christianity causes social division through its totalitarian claims about other peoples eternal damnation. It uproots people from their ancestors and native culture, ruins peoples lives for no good reason, makes them docile, submissive and afraid, and spreads a black-and-white, streamlining mentality. The entire world view with a (if we are to believe the bible...) gruesomely violent dictator of the universe (who is above and not one with nature/creation and its laws) who rewards people with mundane stuff (often stolen from others) in exchange for being worshipped (this is actually rather the actions of a text book evil spirit or demon) and the idea of "salvation" through obedience to this supernatural tyrant is a pathway for being ignorant of the dignity of other living beings. In various ways. Some Christians, in line with the bible and some leading historical theologians, endorse beating up small children until don't think independently, which is "rebellion against God", for the sake of their salvation. Even classic psychopaths like the pastor who runs the infamous Hephzibah House in America (have to say the Catholic church used to have a point about freedom of religion being BS....) and used sadistic torture on vulnerable young women, are actually more in line with YWHW and the bible than with modern X-tians. And yes... the later is obviously a good thing, but as long as X-tianity is around there's always the risk that some folks will start practising a more literalist variant, especially in countries with "freedom of religion" for subversive cults and such. Just look at what's happened with Islam were they've went "back to the basics" what it was like when the Caliphate conquered and destroyed all those amazing ancient cultures by the sword.

And animals do not even have a soul according to X-tianity (modern liberals, in line with their Abrahamic roots, say that animals do not have "rights" in kinda the same manner). The Catholic church used to burn black cats (this was also a popular pastime "fun" among French peasants).

Sure. A lot of stuff have been used to oppress others in history. The difference is that abrahamite power isn't satisfied with your lip service and your money/work. YHWH wants to control people's souls and thoughts too. The Romans may have been oppressive at times but they rightly understood that Christianity was a threat to their society's foundation of religious and philosophical diversity and tolerance.

Here's some fine examples of Christian values:

"I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" (Exodus 20:5)

"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three." (Luke 12:51-52)

"Break their will betimes: begin this great work before they can run alone, before they can speak plain, or perhaps speak at all … make him do as he is bid, if you whip him ten times running to effect it … Break his will now and his soul will live, and he will probably bless you to all eternity." - John Wesely, founder of Methodism

[The Feylands]

NO.

I don’t care about how some guy who died over 2000 years thought we should be governed or why forcing ancient eastern ideas on the west is good. Calling the American people barbarians is uncalled for, especially since you believe some strange old stuff. Western democracy and progress is my hope for the future. Ideas must be constantly improved. We must study the past but plan for the future. Democracy and advancement should be the priorities of society. Failed ideas cannot slow us down if we are to improve the system. I also disagree with having numerous weird gods and I prefer that we either have one God or no god. And what are the merits of a hierarchy where the disadvantaged must bow down to more powerful people who can afford to care about made up codes that do not help those in need? America will never have this and shouldn’t.

Oh dear....

Had to contemplate and pray a bit on how to answer this without being insulting or alike... I have no idea who you are, obviously, and why you would write something like that. But you know - its always fascinated me - the fact that a large percentage of the population naturally and innately seems to espouse such narrow-minded ways of thinking ("numerous WEIRD gods", "either one God or no god"). Maybe that's just how some people deal with reality?

X-tianity is based on the idea that the best man that ever lived had to die so that you would be forgiven... if you believe in him that is. Have you never contemplated what kind of "weirdly" bloodthirsty deity would need to be pleased like that?

Now, recognize that Confucianism is not the right choice for America.

Of course Chinese domination is the right choice for America. All hail Xi Huangdi!

(no but seriously... I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting that in a literal sense. All western countries could use a little Dharmic wisdom though..)

Aren't the claims of Irish Genocide made against Cromwell exaggerated?

It is debated on whether or not it was genocide (attempt to destroy a race or ethnicity) or mere brutal religious and political oppression. Either way, Cromwell was a brutal dictator that killed vase numbers of Irish.

I wonder what the old Celts would have thought of the idea of treating Hibernians like dirt because their Breton druids were so much closer to the Dharma* than theirs?

(yep, that concept did exist here in Europe too, before the bloody X-tian occupation)

The Jews achieved a lot considering there were many more who didn’t agree with them at all.

I like Jews too. I even have a little of the Blood of The Chosen in my veins.

Some pagans get Jews totally wrong. Jews are terrific folks. One cannot simply judge people by the letter of their religious scriptures. We "pagans" probably have a lot of Jews to thank for the freedom to be pagans. It was largely a good thing that there was a force of open-mindedness and international connections in the old west. The thing is... most Jews aren't very religious. A Jew can be a Secular Jew. Judaism is also not a missionary religion. So although I'd love to see Jews know Dharma and be free from YHWH too... the beef simply isn't as big with them, as they don't go around and think that everyone who isn't part of their religion is to be a subject of morally justifiable divine torture for an eternity.

"I don't hate you, I just want to ban you from expressing your beliefs about the universe."

I'm not seriously advocating some total ban... although there are a fair number of reasons why one could view that as morally right. But unfortunately, I don't think its in the nature of Christianity and Islam to coexist with other spirituality. I'm not judging or attacking any individuals who are part of those religious communities. It's not on that level. But on a macro-level, religions who make claims of universal salvation in the vein those two do are an existential threat to everyone else. I fear.

I don't understand how you can praise God SWT yet disparage him at the same time

I believe in God. But not the one found in the Bible. My God is peaceful and one with nature.

[Nea Byzantia]

You have a lot of anger in your heart. Do you want to talk about it? I’m not trolling, I just read your post and it gave me a concern. : (

Chill... I have this little habit of getting a little excited when I finally decide to do something. It's a superpower they call ADHD.

Thanks for the concern though.

Huh. What does Islam and Christianity “do” to societies?

Well.. Islam is an inherently totalitarian juridical system that endorses various forms of cruelty and violence to humans and other animals alike. It's Abrahamism on steroids - the fulfilment of YHWH:s grand scheme to enslave the world. X-tianity is based on the same principles but fails to detail a juridical system to enforce YHWH:s totalitarian ideology - so its only natural someone would come up with one. No one of us can know for sure, of course, but it seems that the true nature of the god of the bible is an entity that goes around in the desert and promise to fulfil various people's desires in exchange for worship (and if you like the Jesus fellow, who is arguably teaching stuff that is closer to Dharma than anyone else in the bible, you may note that he meets and rejects this entity as the devil even according to the bible itself in Matthew 4:1-11)

Christianity causes social division through its totalitarian claims about other peoples eternal damnation. It uproots people from their ancestors and native culture, ruins peoples lives for no good reason, makes them docile, submissive and afraid, and spreads a black-and-white, streamlining mentality. The entire world view with a (if we are to believe the bible...) gruesomely violent dictator of the universe (who is above and not one with nature/creation and its laws) who rewards people with mundane stuff (often stolen from others) in exchange for being worshipped (this is actually rather the actions of a text book evil spirit or demon) and the idea of "salvation" through obedience to this supernatural tyrant is a pathway for being ignorant of the dignity of other living beings. In various ways. Some Christians, in line with the bible and some leading historical theologians, endorse beating up small children until don't think independently, which is "rebellion against God", for the sake of their salvation. Even classic psychopaths like the pastor who runs the infamous Hephzibah House in America (have to say the Catholic church used to have a point about freedom of religion being BS....) and used sadistic torture on vulnerable young women, are actually more in line with YWHW and the bible than with modern X-tians. And yes... the later is obviously a good thing, but as long as X-tianity is around there's always the risk that some folks will start practising a more literalist variant, especially in countries with "freedom of religion" for subversive cults and such. Just look at what's happened with Islam were they've went "back to the basics" what it was like when the Caliphate conquered and destroyed all those amazing ancient cultures by the sword.

And animals do not even have a soul according to X-tianity (modern liberals, in line with their Abrahamic roots, say that animals do not have "rights" in kinda the same manner). The Catholic church used to burn black cats (this was also a popular pastime "fun" among French peasants).

Sure. A lot of stuff have been used to oppress others in history. The difference is that abrahamite power isn't satisfied with your lip service and your money/work. YHWH wants to dominates people's minds and thoughts too. The Romans may have been oppressive at times but they rightly understood that Christianity was a threat to their society's foundation of religious and philosophical diversity and tolerance.

Here's some fine examples of Christian values:

"I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me" (Exodus 20:5)

"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three." (Luke 12:51-52)

"Break their will betimes: begin this great work before they can run alone, before they can speak plain, or perhaps speak at all … make him do as he is bid, if you whip him ten times running to effect it … Break his will now and his soul will live, and he will probably bless you to all eternity." - John Wesely, founder of Methodism

I vehemently disagree...For one thing, you left out how Byzantium, the Christian Roman Empire based in Constantinople, survived and even thrived the Fall of Rome (in 476 AD) by about 1,000 years! Furthermore, you fail to differentiate between Eastern Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant churches...and that's just touching on the surface.

[Conserative Morality]

I vehemently disagree...For one thing, you left out how Byzantium, the Christian Roman Empire based in Constantinople, survived and even thrived the Fall of Rome (in 476 AD) by about 1,000 years! Furthermore, you fail to differentiate between Eastern Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant churches...and that's just touching on the surface.

"Thrived" is a generous way of saying "slowly declined"

[Nea Byzantia]

I vehemently disagree...For one thing, you left out how Byzantium, the Christian Roman Empire based in Constantinople, survived and even thrived the Fall of Rome (in 476 AD) by about 1,000 years! Furthermore, you fail to differentiate between Eastern Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant churches...and that's just touching on the surface.

"Thrived" is a generous way of saying "slowly declined"

Considering what was happening to everybody else at that time, "declining slowly" is pretty good...and the Empire had periods of decline and recovery...ups and downs...relegating Byzantium to simply "slowly declining" is painting the history with way too broad of a stroke.

[Hakons]

(and if you like the Jesus fellow, who is arguably teaching stuff that is closer to Dharma than anyone else in the bible, you may note that he meets and rejects this entity as the devil even according to the bible itself in Matthew 4:1-11)

The ugly rant aside, the most enjoyable part is the seeming identification of their conception of "Dharma" with Satan. It explains a lot.

Edit: That snippet alone... is completely incomprehensible. Jesus is supposedly close to Dharma yet rejects the Dharma figure in the desert? Jesus rejects Satan, who Feylands identifies as Dharma, more than anyone else in the Bible.

[Fahran]

"Thrived" is a generous way of saying "slowly declined"

BELISARIUS, DO IT AGAIN!!!

[Nea Byzantia]

(and if you like the Jesus fellow, who is arguably teaching stuff that is closer to Dharma than anyone else in the bible, you may note that he meets and rejects this entity as the devil even according to the bible itself in Matthew 4:1-11)

The ugly rant aside, the most enjoyable part is the seeming identification of their conception of "Dharma" with Satan. It explains a lot.

The ugly and incredibly inaccurate rant.

[Conserative Morality]

Considering what was happening to everybody else at that time, "declining slowly" is pretty good...and the Empire had periods of decline and recovery...ups and downs...relegating Byzantium to simply "slowly declining" is painting the history with way too broad of a stroke.

It had points of recovery relative to the rate of loss it normally experienced. With the exception of the Komneian Dynasty, which was an anemic recovery at best (through no fault of the Komneians), I don't particularly remember any significant eras of recovery.

>> in b4 someone brings up Belisarius destroying Italy and then getting blueballed by a jealous emperor as a recovery

[The Feylands]

(and if you like the Jesus fellow, who is arguably teaching stuff that is closer to Dharma than anyone else in the bible, you may note that he meets and rejects this entity as the devil even according to the bible itself in Matthew 4:1-11)

The ugly rant aside, the most enjoyable part is the seeming identification of their conception of "Dharma" with Satan. It explains a lot.

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. YHWH is an entity that seemingly "appears" to people in the middle of the desert and promises a lot of mundane stuff in exchange for worship. See Abraham, Moses, Paul or later Muhammad. Interestingly, in the Bible Jesus has the same experience but rejects the entity as the devil. And Jesus is arguably the most Dharmic person in the entire book....

[Fahran]

>> in b4 someone brings up Belisarius destroying Italy and then getting blueballed by a jealous emperor as a recovery

Too late. It counts as a territorial recovery at least.

[Novus America]

"Thrived" is a generous way of saying "slowly declined"

Considering what was happening to everybody else at that time, "declining slowly" is pretty good...and the Empire had periods of decline and recovery...ups and downs...relegating Byzantium to simply "slowly declining" is painting the history with way too broad of a stroke.

Plus it was the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 that really put the Empire in bad shape. Not religion, but an insane power mad Persian Shah.

[Conserative Morality]

Considering what was happening to everybody else at that time, "declining slowly" is pretty good...and the Empire had periods of decline and recovery...ups and downs...relegating Byzantium to simply "slowly declining" is painting the history with way too broad of a stroke.

Plus it was the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 that really put the Empire in bad shape. Not religion, but an insane power mad Persian Shah.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ascribe the Byzantines' decline wholly to Christianity. But I never pass up an opportunity to reinforce that the Byzies were W I M P S

[Nea Byzantia]

The ugly rant aside, the most enjoyable part is the seeming identification of their conception of "Dharma" with Satan. It explains a lot.

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. YHWH is an entity that seemingly "appears" to people in the middle of the desert and promises a lot of mundane stuff in exchange for worship. See Abraham, Moses, Paul or later Muhammad. Interestingly, in the Bible Jesus has the same experience but rejects the entity as the devil. And Jesus is arguably the most Dharmic person in the entire book....

You clearly misunderstand Christianity...Jesus IS God...There is no difference between Him and YHWH...He's the Son and YHWH is the Father, and then there's the Holy Spirit...Together they are the Holy Trinity; the Three Persons of the One Godhead

[Nea Byzantia]

Plus it was the Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628 that really put the Empire in bad shape. Not religion, but an insane power mad Persian Shah.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ascribe the Byzantines' decline wholly to Christianity. But I never pass up an opportunity to reinforce that the Byzies were W I M P S

Wimps? They held back the Islamic hordes for centuries. You clearly know nothing about Byzantium.

[Conserative Morality]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ascribe the Byzantines' decline wholly to Christianity. But I never pass up an opportunity to reinforce that the Byzies were W I M P S

Wimps? They held back the Islamic hordes for centuries. You clearly know nothing about Byzantium.

"Held back"

Is that what you call losing all of the Holy Land, Egypt, Africa, and most of Anatolia? smgdh