Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Bienenhalde]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

[United Muscovite Nations]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

Needs a two-state solution along the pre-1967 borders with right of return for Palestinian refugees.

[Fahran]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

It seems like Kahol Lavan might actually challenge this time around Likud in light of the recent corruption scandals and the dissolution of the old Likud-Beiteinu alliance. Yair Lapid (he's one of the leaders of Kahol Lavan) has proposed an equality amendment to the Nation-State Bill, but, historically, his party, Yesh Atid, hasn't been altogether pro-Palestinian or pro-Arab. Their main concern is addressing inequality and creating generous public programs in education, housing, etc. They're still robustly Zionist, supporting a tw-state solution. Really, my favorite policy of theirs is one that everyone has begun adopting, namely ending the exception on conscription for the Ultra-Orthodox.

I'm inclined to believe that a lot of this is just dissatisfaction with Bibi himself and a loss of confidence in light of the corruption scandals. I expect Likud to remain on as a strong opposition party if Kahol Lavan can achieve an electoral victory, and to return in force if Kahol Lavan attempts to reignite the peace process by withdrawing settlements before any negotiations have begun. Of course, Kahol Lavan has to actually win first, and, at the moment, they don't have a definite platform beyond "we dislike Arabs less than Likud."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

Then am I barely included in this kind of stuff?

This is true, all of the people that we've made charts about tend to be... eccentric, to put it politely (and I'm not excluding myself here). Not being included is less an insult and more a testament to your stability.

Well I guess I'm ok then, since I don't have any personality flaws or obsessions. At least I don't think so.

It's been awhile since I've made this particular comment, but here we go.

DELET THIS

Besides, the one true pairing is Tsar x Sultan.

UMNXEl-Amin? You do realize it's awfully hard to grow crops on a ship, right?

SulTaan Kumba at your service fee sabeelillah!

I have returned with new leftist extreme flag.

>Looks at sig
At least you're not a cultural nationalist anymore

UMNXEl-Amin? You do realize it's awfully hard to grow crops on a ship, right?

Sultan is TEM

AW HECK NO

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

That they should die just like the nation should die.

[Novus America]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

Needs a two-state solution along the pre-1967 borders with right of return for Palestinian refugees.

What makes the 1967 borders so special?
I never got that.
I support a two state solution but the borders might not be 67 ones.
Which no longer represent the actual reality on the ground, and never worked in the first place.
Also a two state solution and the 67 borders is odd, given that they were based on the “three state solution”, Egypt getting Gaza, Jordan the West Bank.

“Right of Return” is only viable if it only allows them to go to the Palestinian state.

Anyways Israel is a multiparty Parliamentary democracy.
Actually getting a majority to actually agree on what the borders and security conditions should be is simply not going to happen.

Then you have to get the dysfunctional mess that is the (two) Palestinian governments to actually accept and be able to enforce it when a huge number want Israel destroyed. Yeah.

Not going to happen.
The status quo on Palestine will continue.

Which is not good, but oh well.

[Fahran]

Which is not good, but oh well.

That's pretty much a given. Even if Israel does reignite the peace process, I expect it to go about as well as last time. If a deal actually reaches Fatah's desks, they'll claim it isn't good enough, refuse to make a counter-proposal until negotiations begin at the 1967 borders, and then chest-thump in front of the Palestinian people and celebrate Hamas not gaining any further political advantage in the West Bank.

[Proctopeo]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

A two-state solution, drawn upon borders that represent the current reality, is optimal but implausible. Especially since Hamas controls the Gaza Strip.

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

That they should die just like the nation should die.

Edgy, but not unexpected.

[Novus America]

Which is not good, but oh well.

That's pretty much a given. Even if Israel does reignite the peace process, I expect it to go about as well as last time. If a deal actually reaches Fatah's desks, they'll claim it isn't good enough, refuse to make a counter-proposal until negotiations begin at the 1967 borders, and then chest-thump in front of the Palestinian people and celebrate Hamas not gaining any further political advantage in the West Bank.

Exactly. And honestly it should not be at the top of US policy concerns either.
We have way more pressing issues that actually might get solved.
Rather than a issue that is unsolvable and frankly, should not be that important to us.

[Conserative Morality]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

Needs a two-state solution along the pre-1967 borders with right of return for Palestinian refugees.

I would prefer a one-state solution with equal rights for all citizens but we all know that's not going to happen.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Needs a two-state solution along the pre-1967 borders with right of return for Palestinian refugees.

What makes the 1967 borders so special?
I never got that.
I support a two state solution but the borders might not be 67 ones.
Which no longer represent the actual reality on the ground, and never worked in the first place.
Also a two state solution and the 67 borders is odd, given that they were based on the “three state solution”, Egypt getting Gaza, Jordan the West Bank.

“Right of Return” is only viable if it only allows them to go to the Palestinian state.

Anyways Israel is a multiparty Parliamentary democracy.
Actually getting a majority to actually agree on what the borders and security conditions should be is simply not going to happen.

Then you have to get the dysfunctional mess that is the (two) Palestinian governments to actually accept and be able to enforce it when a huge number want Israel destroyed. Yeah.

Not going to happen.
The status quo on Palestine will continue.

Which is not good, but oh well.

It's "not representative of the reality on the ground" because the Israelis bus in their populace into occupied areas which is a war crime.

[Yusseria]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

Israel just needs to annex Palestine and give all Palestinians Israeli citizenship.

[Fahran]

Israel just needs to annex Palestine and give all Palestinians Israeli citizenship.

Literally nobody involved in this conflict wants that to happen.

[Yusseria]

Israel just needs to annex Palestine and give all Palestinians Israeli citizenship.

Literally nobody involved in this conflict wants that to happen.

A true pity that is.

[Novus America]

What makes the 1967 borders so special?
I never got that.
I support a two state solution but the borders might not be 67 ones.
Which no longer represent the actual reality on the ground, and never worked in the first place.
Also a two state solution and the 67 borders is odd, given that they were based on the “three state solution”, Egypt getting Gaza, Jordan the West Bank.

“Right of Return” is only viable if it only allows them to go to the Palestinian state.

Anyways Israel is a multiparty Parliamentary democracy.
Actually getting a majority to actually agree on what the borders and security conditions should be is simply not going to happen.

Then you have to get the dysfunctional mess that is the (two) Palestinian governments to actually accept and be able to enforce it when a huge number want Israel destroyed. Yeah.

Not going to happen.
The status quo on Palestine will continue.

Which is not good, but oh well.

It's "not representative of the reality on the ground" because the Israelis bus in their populace into occupied areas which is a war crime.

Regardless what makes those borders special, given they never worked before, and were based on the “three state” (NOT two state) solution.

And like it or not you are going to have to give Israel some concessions.
You are not going to get Russia to give East Prussia back to Germany either.

Though again getting a deal all sides, not just Israel and Palestine, but a majority of their internal factions to agree on is simply not in the cards.

[Novus America]

Literally nobody involved in this conflict wants that to happen.

A true pity that is.

Regardless it is perhaps the least likely solution.
This is more likely.
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJn ... ution.html

The most likely is some sort of two state agreement, but even that is not likely at all.
Again getting and agreement on the details is not at all likely.

[Fahran]

A true pity that is.

I wouldn't really call it that. The states exist as they do for pretty good reasons. Israel doesn't want Jews to be at risk of pogroms or assimilation - which literally every other group of people has encouraged at one point or another. The Palestinians don't want to live in a state the caters to Jews and want to be able to have an Arab state - a long-time goal of theirs that would allow them to become a big boy Arab nation on par with Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, etc. and give all their refugees a home that they can return to and prosper in. And Hamas wants to die fighting for G-d.

[Yusseria]

A true pity that is.

I wouldn't really call it that. The states exist as they do for pretty good reasons. Israel doesn't want Jews to be at risk of pogroms or assimilation - which literally every other group of people has encouraged at one point or another. The Palestinians don't want to live in a state the caters to Jews and want to be able to have an Arab state - a long-time goal of theirs that would allow them to become a big boy Arab nation on par with Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, etc. and give all their refugees a home that they can return to and prosper in. And Hamas wants to die fighting for G-d.

Eh, just give Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan. The Israelis withdraw their settlements but keep Jerusalem for themselves.

I mean, I know this won't happen because the Palestinians claim Jerusalem but they really just need to get the fuck over it. Jerusalem's the de facto capital of Israel and it's Israeli policy that it remain undivided. And even before Israel existed the city was majority Jewish. The Palestinians have literally no claim to it.

[Bienenhalde]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

It seems like Kahol Lavan might actually challenge this time around Likud in light of the recent corruption scandals and the dissolution of the old Likud-Beiteinu alliance. Yair Lapid (he's one of the leaders of Kahol Lavan) has proposed an equality amendment to the Nation-State Bill, but, historically, his party, Yesh Atid, hasn't been altogether pro-Palestinian or pro-Arab. Their main concern is addressing inequality and creating generous public programs in education, housing, etc. They're still robustly Zionist, supporting a tw-state solution. Really, my favorite policy of theirs is one that everyone has begun adopting, namely ending the exception on conscription for the Ultra-Orthodox.

I'm inclined to believe that a lot of this is just dissatisfaction with Bibi himself and a loss of confidence in light of the corruption scandals. I expect Likud to remain on as a strong opposition party if Kahol Lavan can achieve an electoral victory, and to return in force if Kahol Lavan attempts to reignite the peace process by withdrawing settlements before any negotiations have begun. Of course, Kahol Lavan has to actually win first, and, at the moment, they don't have a definite platform beyond "we dislike Arabs less than Likud."

What is your opinion on Shas?

[Communal concils]

Since I'm tired of being called a fascist, I would like to debate an actual one.

I'll like to compare social and economic views, and I'll want to compare differances and similarities.

Hopefully, the discussion could be used to counter the claims of the "Left"-Libertarians.

[Bienenhalde]

Since I'm tired of being called a fascist, I would like to debate an actual one.

I'll like to compare social and economic views, and I'll want to compare differances and similarities.

Hopefully, the discussion could be used to counter the claims of the "Left"-Libertarians.

We have had fascists in this thread before, but I cannot guarantee that any actual Fascists will be on today to respond to your question. But you could read some the works of Fascist thinkers like Giovanni Gentile or read descriptions of Fascism by professional histories to get a better idea of what Fascists believe.

[Communal concils]

Since I'm tired of being called a fascist, I would like to debate an actual one.

I'll like to compare social and economic views, and I'll want to compare differances and similarities.

Hopefully, the discussion could be used to counter the claims of the "Left"-Libertarians.

We have had fascists in this thread before, but I cannot guarantee that any actual Fascists will be on today to respond to your question. But you could read some the works of Fascist thinkers like Giovanni Gentile or read descriptions of Fascism by professional histories to get a better idea of what Fascists believe.

Maybe If I had the time , but would you like to talk about why people accuse unrelated Ideologues with fascism.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

We have had fascists in this thread before, but I cannot guarantee that any actual Fascists will be on today to respond to your question. But you could read some the works of Fascist thinkers like Giovanni Gentile or read descriptions of Fascism by professional histories to get a better idea of what Fascists believe.

Maybe If I had the time , but would you like to talk about why people accuse unrelated Ideologues with fascism.

To begin this discourse, perhaps you could describe the current definition of fascism that you've been using up to this point, as well as providing a description of your personal ideological tenets? I'll even be of assistance and provide one of the more common definitions of fascism:

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultra-nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

[Uxupox]

So with the upcoming Israeli election, what does RWDT think about current Israeli politics?

Israel is a good boi. A beacon of “something” in the Middle East.

[Communal concils]

Maybe If I had the time , but would you like to talk about why people accuse unrelated Ideologues with fascism.

To begin this discourse, perhaps you could describe the current definition of fascism that you've been using up to this point, as well as providing a description of your personal ideological tenets? I'll even be of assistance and provide one of the more common definitions of fascism:

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultra-nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

My Definition of Fascism: A Totalitarian Ideology focus on Extreme Nationalism and corporatism. Usually combine with traditionalism and social conservativism, and sometimes racial supremacist beliefs.

I would describe myself a type of State Socialist that supports Revolution.Unlike others. I dislike Liberalism, all forms of Libertarianism, and I reject Conservatism.
Here are aspects of my belief.

1.Left-wing Sectarianism is good. An Anarchist have historically fight each other, and other leftist fight amoung themselves.There is no reason for me to believe that all can work together.

2.To gain power, one must spread their beliefs.They must gain it through any means(including elections).Their for there must be appeals to the populous.

3.I want a selected Vanguard of ideologues controling the state.They should govern it, and they should centralize power.Think of it as a One-Party Oligarchy under the frameworks of a republic.A selected Group should be above one leader.

4.I believe in a Command economy.The State should provide the needs of all citizens.Mass Production and industrialization are important to me.Protectionism,welfare and state owned cooperatives are atruely socialist thing to me.Planners should guide the economy.self-Employeed business will be left alone.

5.I beleive in Equal rights between men and Women.I Hope for an end to Racial divides.Unlike many Western Leftist, I propose the destruction of cultural dinstinctions. I want to remove the social order.I Socialist society guided by Law and order and secularism.I society that seeks to exterminate racial idenity and seeks to abolish conservative values.In terms of Sexuality, I would propose that it's main focus is reproduction.Sexuality should be shifted mostly towards it's biological role.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Israel is a good boi. A beacon of “something” in the Middle East.

Miraculously, it hasn’t been invaded yet, but most sides in the Middle East are wrong. America and Russia have been interfering heavily, with most sides enforcing an outside agenda under the guise of fanatic theist or antitheist beliefs and devotion to their cause.