Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Salus Maior]

It also involves a boy masturbating over a comatose girl's body.

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I regret Commodore Perry's decision.

Close the country. Stop having it be open.

[Painisia]

The reason I didn't get included, is because I am a centrist taking holidays in RWDT, rather than staying here permanently and getting extreme. The only form of authoritarianism I would espouse is non-racialist national syndicalism and corporatism. Everybody here believes in divine monarchs and right-wing Posadism

The only person who unironically believed in a "divine monarchy" doesn't post here anymore.

Believing that a monarch's right-to-rule is granted by God (aka "Divine Right") is different than "Divine Monarchy". That's basically just Japan.

There is a matter of time before they start giving animals royal titles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_corgis

[Salus Maior]

The only person who unironically believed in a "divine monarchy" doesn't post here anymore.

Believing that a monarch's right-to-rule is granted by God (aka "Divine Right") is different than "Divine Monarchy". That's basically just Japan.

There is a matter of time before they start giving animals royal titles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_corgis

HEY.

Respect the Corgis.

[Hanafuridake]

My political ideology has been changing somewhat the past few months. I've been becoming more conservative, seeing more use in organic institutions and traditional culture, while developing a stronger sense of religiousness, primarily through the Pure Land & Shingon schools. I don't really think I could be a devout member of my religion without nationalism. Nationalism makes my religious beliefs something real and tangible, a living belief instead of an abstract reality.

So you're turning into a more based Japanese, Buddhist version of me? I approve.

Do you feel like your changing ideology has accompanied any changes in your life? Or like it's been inspired by anything in particular?

Well, you have been something of an influence on me, in all honesty. A lot of the language that I used to reevaluate my belief system comes from interacting with you and Parkus.

It owes a lot to the obsessive compulsive disorder which lead to a desire to make sense of things and to have something higher to believe in than individual willpower or a vague popular will. I tell myself whenever I'm suffering from a particular episode that the Dharmakāya is eternal and imminent in me or others, so that whatever happens, I can always trust in the universal nature of the Buddhas. Though I'm not the most pious of people, nor do I pretend to be. I've prayed to Kangiten more than I have recited the nembutsu.

The most pragmatic change it's had on me is that it's (ironically) lead me to be able to express the Shintō values of minimalism and sincerity, because I feel like my beliefs now have a legitimate life force behind them rather than abstract thought processes. But considering Yoshida Kanetomo was inspired by esoteric Buddhism and Mabuchi originally tried to become a Shingon priest, there might be an additional reason for that that I'm unaware of.

I need to begin writing poetry again. Recover my romantic, flighty self.

Mono no aware intensifies.

What style of poetry do you write in? I think it's fairly easy to guess what kind I do, but was curious in your case.

This is proof of your corruption.

As Pret said, I embody both the worst in humanity and the best in humanity.

aka you're Stavrogin.

[Uxupox]

The only person who unironically believed in a "divine monarchy" doesn't post here anymore.

Believing that a monarch's right-to-rule is granted by God (aka "Divine Right") is different than "Divine Monarchy". That's basically just Japan.

There is a matter of time before they start giving animals royal titles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_corgis

Better hide those dogs before they find themselves under a guillotine.

[Old Tyrannia]

So you're turning into a more based Japanese, Buddhist version of me? I approve.

Do you feel like your changing ideology has accompanied any changes in your life? Or like it's been inspired by anything in particular?

Well, you have been something of an influence on me, in all honesty. A lot of the language that I used to reevaluate my belief system comes from interacting with you and Parkus.

It owes a lot to the obsessive compulsive disorder which lead to a desire to make sense of things and to have something higher to believe in than individual willpower or a vague popular will. I tell myself whenever I'm suffering from a particular episode that the Dharmakāya is eternal and imminent in me or others, so that whatever happens, I can always trust in the universal nature of the Buddhas. Though I'm not the most pious of people, nor do I pretend to be. I've prayed to Kangiten more than I have recited the nembutsu.

The most pragmatic change it's had on me is that it's (ironically) lead me to be able to express the Shintō values of minimalism and sincerity, because I feel like my beliefs now have a legitimate life force behind them rather than abstract thought processes. But considering Yoshida Kanetomo was inspired by esoteric Buddhism and Mabuchi originally tried to become a Shingon priest, there might be an additional reason for that that I'm unaware of.

Do you practice Shinto alongside Buddhism or do you consider yourself to be a Buddhist exclusively?

[Hanafuridake]

Well, you have been something of an influence on me, in all honesty. A lot of the language that I used to reevaluate my belief system comes from interacting with you and Parkus.

It owes a lot to the obsessive compulsive disorder which lead to a desire to make sense of things and to have something higher to believe in than individual willpower or a vague popular will. I tell myself whenever I'm suffering from a particular episode that the Dharmakāya is eternal and imminent in me or others, so that whatever happens, I can always trust in the universal nature of the Buddhas. Though I'm not the most pious of people, nor do I pretend to be. I've prayed to Kangiten more than I have recited the nembutsu.

The most pragmatic change it's had on me is that it's (ironically) lead me to be able to express the Shintō values of minimalism and sincerity, because I feel like my beliefs now have a legitimate life force behind them rather than abstract thought processes. But considering Yoshida Kanetomo was inspired by esoteric Buddhism and Mabuchi originally tried to become a Shingon priest, there might be an additional reason for that that I'm unaware of.

Do you practice Shinto alongside Buddhism or do you consider yourself to be a Buddhist exclusively?

I don't believe the two are separable, and I still have an emotional (and patriotic) attachment to the national deities, so I identify with both.

Both are essential parts of Japanese culture (combined with Neo-Confucianism) and adherence to one mandates respect for the others. Shintō could be described as an imperfect revelation that was completed with the introduction of Buddhism to Japan. Medieval schools taught that the sun goddess was an avatar of the Universal Buddha Vairocana, and I'm inclined to believe that that's true and that Japan was formed in order to be a repository of Shingon Buddhism because of Kūkai's life.

[Bienenhalde]

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

Hmm...what about me? Am I a political extremist, or just a very eccentric centrist?

[Old Tyrannia]

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

Hmm...what about me? Am I a political extremist, or just a very eccentric centrist?

I honestly think you're a fairly ordinary social democrat with a fondness for royalty. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Novus America]

Hmm...what about me? Am I a political extremist, or just a very eccentric centrist?

I honestly think you're a fairly ordinary social democrat with a fondness for royalty. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Basically a Bismarckian of sorts?

[Old Tyrannia]

I honestly think you're a fairly ordinary social democrat with a fondness for royalty. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Basically a Bismarckian of sorts?

I'd place Bienenhalde well to the left of Bismarck.

[Bienenhalde]

Basically a Bismarckian of sorts?

I'd place Bienenhalde well to the left of Bismarck.

In what way?

[Diopolis]

You are a paragon of virtuous propriety, Old Tyrannia, a pillar of the NationStates community, a gentleman, a scholar, a shining example for us to strive for!

And as long as I keep the gay Nazi tentacle furry porn hidden, everyone will keep on thinking that.

Auto-da-fe? What's an auto-da-fe?

All you need to know is not to go if Dio invites you to one.

Oh come on. It's so cute when the children roast marshmallows over the screams of burning heretics.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'd place Bienenhalde well to the left of Bismarck.

In what way?

Well, I don't exactly see you as a staunchly anti-democratic, anti-socialist champion of the traditional Junker elite. You've argued in favour of the European Union, which is a liberal anti-nationalist project, and in favour of breaking up the United Kingdom.

And as long as I keep the gay Nazi tentacle furry porn hidden, everyone will keep on thinking that.

All you need to know is not to go if Dio invites you to one.

Oh come on. It's so cute when the children roast marshmallows over the screams of burning heretics.

Not so cute when you're likely to be the burning heretic.

[Diopolis]

In what way?

Well, I don't exactly see you as a staunchly anti-democratic, anti-socialist champion of the traditional Junker elite. You've argued in favour of the European Union, which is a liberal anti-nationalist project, and in favour of breaking up the United Kingdom.

Oh come on. It's so cute when the children roast marshmallows over the screams of burning heretics.

Not so cute when you're likely to be the burning heretic.

You said "invite" not "issue a court summons".

[Novus America]

In what way?

Well, I don't exactly see you as a staunchly anti-democratic, anti-socialist champion of the traditional Junker elite. You've argued in favour of the European Union, which is a liberal anti-nationalist project, and in favour of breaking up the United Kingdom.

Oh come on. It's so cute when the children roast marshmallows over the screams of burning heretics.

Not so cute when you're likely to be the burning heretic.

Bismarck had a complicated relationship with democracy.
The German Empire was no entirety democratic. But was not entirely undemocratic either.
It was actually more democratic in some ways than the UK was at the time.

[Old Tyrannia]

Well, I don't exactly see you as a staunchly anti-democratic, anti-socialist champion of the traditional Junker elite. You've argued in favour of the European Union, which is a liberal anti-nationalist project, and in favour of breaking up the United Kingdom.

Not so cute when you're likely to be the burning heretic.

Bismarck had a complicated relationship with democracy.
The German Empire was no entirety democratic. But was not entirely undemocratic either.
It was actually more democratic in some ways than the UK was at the time.

Please don't lecture me on the constitution of the German Empire. It's not controversial to state that Bismarck distrusted democracy and relied on a civil service drawn largely from the Junker class to maintain his control of Germany. He nonetheless presided over a Germany that possessed a popularly elected legislature.

[Novus America]

Bismarck had a complicated relationship with democracy.
The German Empire was no entirety democratic. But was not entirely undemocratic either.
It was actually more democratic in some ways than the UK was at the time.

Please don't lecture me on the constitution of the German Empire. It's not controversial to state that Bismarck distrusted democracy and relied on a civil service drawn largely from the Junker class to maintain his control of Germany. He nonetheless presided over a Germany that possessed a popularly elected legislature.

And helped create that legislature.
Sure he distrusted democracy but was not entirely against it.
I would not say he was purely undemocratic, nor purely democratic.
It was complicated.

[Bienenhalde]

In what way?

Well, I don't exactly see you as a staunchly anti-democratic, anti-socialist champion of the traditional Junker elite. You've argued in favour of the European Union, which is a liberal anti-nationalist project, and in favour of breaking up the United Kingdom.

I see...but is it really accurate to characterize the European Union as a purely liberal project? I mean, EU leaders have included not just liberals and social democrats, but many Christian Democrats and conservatives as well. And the considering that many Eurosceptics talk constantly about supporting more democracy and opposition towards the elite, they do not seem truly reactionary. It almost seems as if pro-EU conservatives are the modern successors to Metternich, while the Eurosceptics represent the heirs of the revolutionary nationalists of the same era. Also, regarding democracy, I suppose I am too pragmatic to be "staunchly" anti-democratic, but I do view democracy with a considerable degree of skepticism. At least democracy is preferable to Fascism, Communism, and Salafism, although according to the older concept of democracy as equivalent to "mob rule", one could actually argue that such totalitarian systems are in fact democratic.

[Salus Maior]

Bismarck had a complicated relationship with democracy.
The German Empire was no entirety democratic. But was not entirely undemocratic either.
It was actually more democratic in some ways than the UK was at the time.

Please don't lecture me on the constitution of the German Empire. It's not controversial to state that Bismarck distrusted democracy and relied on a civil service drawn largely from the Junker class to maintain his control of Germany. He nonetheless presided over a Germany that possessed a popularly elected legislature.

Didn't he try to coup the elected government twice before well before he became Chancellor?

[North German Realm]

Please don't lecture me on the constitution of the German Empire. It's not controversial to state that Bismarck distrusted democracy and relied on a civil service drawn largely from the Junker class to maintain his control of Germany. He nonetheless presided over a Germany that possessed a popularly elected legislature.

And helped create that legislature.
Sure he distrusted democracy but was not entirely against it.
I would not say he was purely undemocratic, nor purely democratic.
It was complicated.

He literally designed the system so that the office of Chancellery didn't answer to anyone but the Emperor himself, that had the right to just up and ignore what the National Legislature decided in a truly "I recognize that the Council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it" kind of way that pretty much made the legislature just there for the show. The German Democracy may have been enlightened compared to many others at the time, but it was pointless, because the Chancellor could just override it at will -and he did. Many times.

[Aellex]

[
Aellex: “the Parisian.” a member of the society from France who is used by Conserative Morality to convince the rest of the revolutionaries that there are global cells dedicated to the downfall of Christian society. He is responsible for procuring firearms and other weapons for the conspirators and is the first to crack when the authorities become aware of UMN's murder.

>when you sell weapons to the godless heathens and then the heathens themselves
Hate the business, not the businessman; I'm but an humble Merchant. :^)

Also, I swear I will unironically mount an expedition and re-establish the Ezo Republic the next time you call me a Parisian.

[Fahran]

He literally designed the system so that the office of Chancellery didn't answer to anyone but the Emperor himself, that had the right to just up and ignore what the National Legislature decided in a truly "I recognize that the Council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've elected to ignore it" kind of way that pretty much made the legislature just there for the show. The German Democracy may have been enlightened compared to many others at the time, but it was pointless, because the Chancellor could just override it at will -and he did. Many times.

This. Bismarck was not keen on democracy. As a young man, he actually did a number of silly things to try to minimize it and was squarely rooted in the monarchist and conservative political camps. As far as I can gather, that never really changed. And Bismarck wasn't a big fan of the proletariat seizing the means of production either. A lot of his social policies were intended to take wind out of that particular red-dyed sail.

Also, I swear I will unironically mount an expedition and re-establish the Ezo Republic the next time you call me a Parisian.

Is calling French people Parisian peak bulli?

[Aellex]

Is calling French people Parisian peak bulli?

About as much as calling someone from somewhere else in the US a Californian or New Yorker so essentially yes, indeed.

[Fahran]

About as much as calling someone from somewhere else in the US a Californian or New Yorker so essentially yes, indeed.

I'd probably be offended honestly.