Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Hanafuridake]

Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

Chikamatsu Monzaemon is that you?

[Hanafuridake]

ЯWДТ Бѣсы

Set in a small Sakhalin village, the novel follows the lives of the main inhabitants who are unaware that there is an underground conspiracy to overthrow Tsar and Church in favor of a secular liberal state. As the moral fabric of the village dissolves, it descends more and more into chaos, leading to a string of murders committed in the name of nihilistic revolution.

Old Tyrannia: mayor of the village. A fervent monarchist and the father of UMN who supports the Tsarist government and sees Christianity as the embodiment of the Russian character. He is an enemy to the revolutionary society and overjoyed when his son returns to the Christian faith and renounces nihilism. Is killed by an angry mob when CM believes he poses a serious threat to his plans and frames him for murder and hoarding of food.

United Muscovite Nations: formerly a socialist revolutionary and member of the Society. After four years of exile in Siberia has returned home. In the meanwhile, he has renounced his previous atheistic beliefs and embraced Christ and the Russian Orthodox Church, a heretical act that results in him being killed by his fellow revolutionaries who are worried about him revealing what he knows.

Conserative Morality: nihilistic revolutionary and godless liberal who's machinations destroy the moral fiber of the little Sakhalin village. Spent several years in America as an engineer, where he became fully Americanized in outlook. Is responsible of the murder of several people in order to solidify the allegiance of the rest of the revolutionaries.

Hana: Japanese spy who lives in the village, strong believer in Buddhist nationalism but secretly struggles with a lack of faith. Is in contact with CM's group to destabilize the Russian Empire but unable to save friend UMN's life when she learns of the plot to murder him.

Aellex: “the Parisian.” a member of the society from France who is used by Conserative Morality to convince the rest of the revolutionaries that there are global cells dedicated to the downfall of Christian society. He is responsible for procuring firearms and other weapons for the conspirators and is the first to crack when the authorities become aware of UMN's murder.

Fahran: crazy Sephardic woman who is convinced that she is married to UMN, who she believes to be a prince and heir to the Russian Empire. Her coming to the village (orchestrated by CM) brings scandal to the Tyrannia household and begins rumors that discredits their standing in polite society. Is later murdered by a bandit with the death pinned on Old Tyrannia, resulting in his death.

Washington Resistance Army: one of the members of the society who sells a gun to Hana after a fight she has with UMN in the hopes that she'll shoot him and save the rest of the Society the trouble. Is later implicated by the Parisian and commits suicide via shooting himself in the head to avoid betraying where the revolutionaries' weapons are coming from. Follows a weird religion that merges Russian polytheism with futurism that he elaborates to UMN in one of the novel's many philosophical dialogues.

The novel was published in 1883's Russia and received wide acclaim until it was revealed that it was a rip-off of a much better book.

[Old Tyrannia]

If CM is Robespierre and Claude Frollo, what am I?

You're a Shigalyev in the making.

Old Tyrannia: mayor of the village. A fervent monarchist and the father of UMN who supports the Tsarist government and sees Christianity as the embodiment of the Russian character. He is an enemy to the revolutionary society and overjoyed when his son returns to the Christian faith and renounces nihilism. Is killed by an angry mob when CM believes he poses a serious threat to his plans and frames him for murder and hoarding of food.

I should have known they'd kill me off.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Washington Resistance Army: one of the members of the society who sells a gun to Hana after a fight she has with UMN in the hopes that she'll shoot him and save the rest of the Society the trouble. Is later implicated by the Parisian and commits suicide via shooting himself in the head to avoid betraying where the revolutionaries' weapons are coming from. Follows a weird religion that merges Russian polytheism with futurism that he elaborates to UMN in one of the novel's many philosophical dialogues.

11/10 accuracy, would read

[Confederate States of German America]

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The T-34-85 would like to have a word with him.

It was a piece of shit, losing 3:1 to German tanks even in 1944 and, on average, saw only one crewman survive if it was hit.

[Confederate States of German America]

This thread really has went down hill.

So do people ship OEP and Torocca just because of the reasoning being they hate each other so that must meant they secretly loveeach other BS reason?

[Hanafuridake]

As NS's resident sad girl and romantic, this is where I draw the line.

Excuse me, that's my territory that you're stepping right on.

If CM is Robespierre and Claude Frollo, what am I?

You're a Shigalyev in the making.

Old Tyrannia: mayor of the village. A fervent monarchist and the father of UMN who supports the Tsarist government and sees Christianity as the embodiment of the Russian character. He is an enemy to the revolutionary society and overjoyed when his son returns to the Christian faith and renounces nihilism. Is killed by an angry mob when CM believes he poses a serious threat to his plans and frames him for murder and hoarding of food.

I should have known they'd kill me off.

Truth be told it was hard to decide whether to make you or United Muscovite Nations the equivalent of Shatov. I went with UMN because you were never an atheist or socialist (that I know of).

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As NS's resident sad girl and romantic, this is where I draw the line.

Excuse me, that's my territory that you're stepping right on.

You're a Shigalyev in the making.

I should have known they'd kill me off.

Truth be told it was hard to decide whether to make you or United Muscovite Nations the equivalent of Shatov. I went with UMN because you were never an atheist or socialist (that I know of).

Wut

[Old Tyrannia]

Truth be told it was hard to decide whether to make you or United Muscovite Nations the equivalent of Shatov. I went with UMN because you were never an atheist or socialist (that I know of).

I was an atheist up until a couple of years ago. I was never a revolutionary leftist, though, so in that sense UMN probably fits the role better.

[Conserative Morality]

Conserative Morality: nihilistic revolutionary and godless liberal who's machinations destroy the moral fiber of the little Sakhalin village. Spent several years in America as an engineer, where he became fully Americanized in outlook. Is responsible of the murder of several people in order to solidify the allegiance of the rest of the revolutionaries.

Necessity knows no law. =^^^^)

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If CM is Robespierre and Claude Frollo, what am I?

You're a Shigalyev in the making.

Please forgive me if I seem rude, but may you please explain your reasoning behind this statement somewhat further? Sadly, as of right now, I must admit that I am not sufficiently acquainted with the works of Dostoevsky, beyond a mere sort of cursory knowledge if you catch my drift.

[Old Tyrannia]

You're a Shigalyev in the making.

Please forgive me if I seem rude, but may you please explain your reasoning behind this statement somewhat further? Sadly, as of right now, I must admit that I am not sufficiently acquainted with the works of Dostoevsky, beyond a mere sort of cursory knowledge if you catch my drift.

You're an aspiring intellectual who believes that you can construct a hypothetical system which would bring about an idyllic society if ever fully implemented- just like the kinds of people who Dostoevsky was parodying with the character of Shigalyev. You're a step behind Shigalyev because you're yet to grasp that the achievement of your ideals would mean, to borrow a phrase from Peter Hitchens, crossing an ocean of blood. You're two steps behind the great conservative thinkers because neither you nor Shigalyev realise that utopia can not only be approached only across an ocean of blood, but that it can never be reached.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Please forgive me if I seem rude, but may you please explain your reasoning behind this statement somewhat further? Sadly, as of right now, I must admit that I am not sufficiently acquainted with the works of Dostoevsky, beyond a mere sort of cursory knowledge if you catch my drift.

You're an aspiring intellectual who believes that you can construct a hypothetical system which would bring about an idyllic society if ever fully implemented- just like the kinds of people who Dostoevsky was parodying with the character of Shigalyev. You're a step behind Shigalyev because you're yet to grasp that the achievement of your ideals would mean, to borrow a phrase from Peter Hitchens, crossing an ocean of blood. You're two steps behind the great conservative thinkers because neither you nor Shigalyev realise that utopia can not only be approached only across an ocean of blood, but that it can never be reached.

As a side note, "Infinite Ocean of Blood" would be a decent name for a metal band.

In all seriousness however, when It comes down to it, I do admit that a utopia can never be reached; however, I don't see this as an excuse to become complacent, y'know? And if an institution is unjust, however traditional it may be, it must be disassembled and re-assembled in a manner more in accord with the Good. Does that make any sense? Please forgive me if it doesn't.

[Old Tyrannia]

You're an aspiring intellectual who believes that you can construct a hypothetical system which would bring about an idyllic society if ever fully implemented- just like the kinds of people who Dostoevsky was parodying with the character of Shigalyev. You're a step behind Shigalyev because you're yet to grasp that the achievement of your ideals would mean, to borrow a phrase from Peter Hitchens, crossing an ocean of blood. You're two steps behind the great conservative thinkers because neither you nor Shigalyev realise that utopia can not only be approached only across an ocean of blood, but that it can never be reached.

As a side note, "Infinite Ocean of Blood" would be a decent name for a metal band.

In all seriousness however, when It comes down to it, I do admit that a utopia can never be reached; however, I don't see this as an excuse to become complacent, y'know? And if an institution is unjust, however traditional it may be, it must be disassembled and re-assembled in a manner more in accord with the Good. Does that make any sense? Please forgive me if it doesn't.

Human beings are flawed creatures; consequently any society or institutions created and/or comprising human beings will be flawed also. Reform is sometimes necessary, yes, but it should be implemented in response to particular needs and issues, not on the basis of pure ideology. Functioning, existing institutions should never be discarded because of hypothetical, rationalistic ideals. What seems like a rationally good system often functions less well in reality, and organic societies and institutions often function better in reality even if they seem irrational.

[Hanafuridake]

Please forgive me if I seem rude, but may you please explain your reasoning behind this statement somewhat further? Sadly, as of right now, I must admit that I am not sufficiently acquainted with the works of Dostoevsky, beyond a mere sort of cursory knowledge if you catch my drift.

You're an aspiring intellectual who believes that you can construct a hypothetical system which would bring about an idyllic society if ever fully implemented- just like the kinds of people who Dostoevsky was parodying with the character of Shigalyev. You're a step behind Shigalyev because you're yet to grasp that the achievement of your ideals would mean, to borrow a phrase from Peter Hitchens, crossing an ocean of blood. You're two steps behind the great conservative thinkers because neither you nor Shigalyev realise that utopia can not only be approached only across an ocean of blood, but that it can never be reached.

This is fun, please describe what Dostoevsky character am I.

[Genivaria]

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

[Sicaris]

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

Not a police car, right wing mostly likes police.

Your first initiation objective is to graffiti “communism doesn’t work lmao” on Lenin’s grave.

Report back when finished.

[Diopolis]

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

I'm more extreme than any of'em and I'm never included either.

[Old Tyrannia]

You're an aspiring intellectual who believes that you can construct a hypothetical system which would bring about an idyllic society if ever fully implemented- just like the kinds of people who Dostoevsky was parodying with the character of Shigalyev. You're a step behind Shigalyev because you're yet to grasp that the achievement of your ideals would mean, to borrow a phrase from Peter Hitchens, crossing an ocean of blood. You're two steps behind the great conservative thinkers because neither you nor Shigalyev realise that utopia can not only be approached only across an ocean of blood, but that it can never be reached.

This is fun, please describe what Dostoevsky character am I.

I hate to be a disappointment, but I'm honestly not well-immersed enough yet in Dostoevsky's work to relate everyone to one of his characters. I've only read a few of his books so far. If we restrict the question to Demons characters, particularly those that have well-developed philosophical positions, then I'd probably say that you're a Shatov like myself and UMN.

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

[United Muscovite Nations]

This is fun, please describe what Dostoevsky character am I.

I hate to be a disappointment, but I'm honestly not well-immersed enough yet in Dostoevsky's work to relate everyone to one of his characters. I've only read a few of his books so far. If we restrict the question to Demons characters, particularly those that have well-developed philosophical positions, then I'd probably say that you're a Shatov like myself and UMN.

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

Hurrah for personality flaws and obnoxious obsessions! Take note, kids, if you want to be included by your peers, develop these areas!

[Proctopeo]

I hate to be a disappointment, but I'm honestly not well-immersed enough yet in Dostoevsky's work to relate everyone to one of his characters. I've only read a few of his books so far. If we restrict the question to Demons characters, particularly those that have well-developed philosophical positions, then I'd probably say that you're a Shatov like myself and UMN.

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

Hurrah for personality flaws and obnoxious obsessions! Take note, kids, if you want to be included by your peers, develop these areas!

I have the latter but I'm not included.
Clearly, I need to develop more prevalent personality flaws.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Hurrah for personality flaws and obnoxious obsessions! Take note, kids, if you want to be included by your peers, develop these areas!

I have the latter but I'm not included.
Clearly, I need to develop more prevalent personality flaws.

That's because nobody likes weaboo lolitacons.

[Hanafuridake]

This is fun, please describe what Dostoevsky character am I.

I hate to be a disappointment, but I'm honestly not well-immersed enough yet in Dostoevsky's work to relate everyone to one of his characters. I've only read a few of his books so far. If we restrict the question to Demons characters, particularly those that have well-developed philosophical positions, then I'd probably say that you're a Shatov like myself and UMN.

That's fair, need to read Crime and Punishment myself. And yeah, Shatov would definitely be the most accurate, especially considering how both of us combine nationalism with religious devotion and have a dislike for Western ideas. Though Kirillov comes into a close second.

Damnit I never get included in these, am I not extreme enough for ya'll?
Do I have to flip a police car or something?

Unfortunately you're easily overlooked because you have fairly mainstream political views and lack any particularly prevalent personality flaws or obnoxious obsessions.

This is true, all of the people that we've made charts about tend to be... eccentric, to put it politely (and I'm not excluding myself here). Not being included is less an insult and more a testament to your stability.

[Fahran]

Fahran: crazy Sephardic woman who is convinced that she is married to UMN, who she believes to be a prince and heir to the Russian Empire. Her coming to the village (orchestrated by CM) brings scandal to the Tyrannia household and begins rumors that discredits their standing in polite society. Is later murdered by a bandit with the death pinned on Old Tyrannia, resulting in his death.

It's been awhile since I've made this particular comment, but here we go.

DELET THIS

Besides, the one true pairing is Tsar x Sultan.

[Proctopeo]

I have the latter but I'm not included.
Clearly, I need to develop more prevalent personality flaws.

That's because nobody likes weaboo lolitacons.

Hey, I'm not the latter!