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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:We're really going into a philosophical debate over whether romantic love is good lol. Sheesh.

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Postby Fahran » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:12 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:We're really going into a philosophical debate over whether romantic love is good lol. Sheesh.

It's an interesting conversation to have given how a lot of right-wing ideologies deplored romantic love or at least portrayed it as a potentially less moral option. Christian monks/nuns come to mind as investing their love and devotion in G-d as opposed to a marriage. I'm not certain of the extent to which Mohism/Buddhism would embrace similar notions. We'd probably need to consult Rei on that. A lot of fascists and right-wing revolutionaries were similarly averse to marriage - since being tied down might feminize them and distract them from serving the nation. Besides, you can make Aryan babies without a marriage. That idea is of course wholly alien to Judaism.
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Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

killing is neither good nor bad
love is neither good nor bad
we get it CM, you're on a nihilist kick lately :p
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Postby Fahran » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

Calm down, Heathcliff, you madman.

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Postby Kowani » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:14 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

killing is neither good nor bad
love is neither good nor bad
we get it CM, you're on a nihilist kick lately :p

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:14 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

killing is neither good nor bad
love is neither good nor bad
we get it CM, you're on a nihilist kick lately :p

Virtue ethics, m8. Deontological and utilitarian ethics are for squares. I've been preaching this for years, BUT NO ONE LISTENS

NO ONE EVEN REMEMBERS

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Postby Fahran » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:[internal screaming]

CM is it bad that as more time passes that I'm increasingly imagining you as a jumble of Robespierre and Claude Frollo?

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:17 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.

What does it even mean to be good? Following the word of a god? Upholding your obligation to society? Or is there no good or bad to begin with? Until we know these answers, we cannot truly say what is great, or what is terrible?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:20 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What does it even mean to be good? Following the word of a god? Upholding your obligation to society? Or is there no good or bad to begin with? Until we know these answers, we cannot truly say what is great, or what is terrible?

There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.
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Postby Fahran » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:20 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What does it even mean to be good? Following the word of a god? Upholding your obligation to society?

Yes. :p

Conserative Morality wrote:There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.

Oh, no! It's Nietzsche!
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:24 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What does it even mean to be good? Following the word of a god? Upholding your obligation to society? Or is there no good or bad to begin with? Until we know these answers, we cannot truly say what is great, or what is terrible?

There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:25 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good thing there are plenty of people who will kindly pop a cap in your ass in response, and say it was a good thing to do. =^)

Welcome to... the statist zone.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:25 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:We're really going into a philosophical debate over whether romantic love is good lol. Sheesh.

Everyone’s Kant on NSG!


As a side note, it's pleasing to see that you've changed your sig to better reflect your actual philosophical positions. I'm glad that you've managed to get around to it.

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Conserative Morality wrote:[internal screaming]

CM is it bad that as more time passes that I'm increasingly imagining you as a jumble of Robespierre and Claude Frollo?


If CM is Robespierre and Claude Frollo, what am I? :unsure:

Conserative Morality wrote:Hot take: romantic love is neither good nor bad in and of itself. Love can make you do great and terrible things alike.


Tbh, a thing that bothers me about the English language is how romantic love (eros) is often just referred to as "love" in the colloquial sense. Perhaps that has something to do with my (vaguely Kantian and/or Mohist) philosophical views on impartial benevolence. I dunno though.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Never thought I’d see an ancom argue in favor of objective morality.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Good thing there are plenty of people who will kindly pop a cap in your ass in response, and say it was a good thing to do. =^)

Welcome to... the statist zone.


And what if I have a superior arsenal and defensive network to combat their assault? Can I claim it to be even gooder to have slaughtered them en-masse? :^)

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Torrocca wrote:
Oh, well, in that case, I'mma just pop a cap in my neighbor's ass and say it was a good thing to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Never thought I’d see an ancom argue in favor of objective morality.


I'm too hopelessly optimistic in the inherent good that all people are born with to drink the nihilism juice.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:What does it even mean to be good? Following the word of a god? Upholding your obligation to society? Or is there no good or bad to begin with? Until we know these answers, we cannot truly say what is great, or what is terrible?

There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


This is true enlightenment.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:32 pm

Torrocca wrote:And what if I have a superior arsenal and defensive network to combat their assault? Can I claim it to be even gooder to have slaughtered them en-masse? :^)

You can claim whatever you want, m8. You could claim that if you said your morality was objectively right from reason, or God. Do you not realize that?

Anyway, I won't know. I'll be in the third fireteam wave of the Short Attack against your positions. =^^^^)
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:33 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:There is no inherent good or bad. We must come to these ethical conclusions by our own development, and believe in them wholeheartedly.


This is true enlightenment.


Of course you think it's enlightenment; it's a cheap cop out for having any actual viewpoints on subjects at hand peak enlightened centrism. :p
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:34 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Of course you think it's enlightenment; it's a cheap cop out for having any actual viewpoints on subjects at hand peak enlightened centrism. :p

On the contrary - it is more often a route to radicalism.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Torrocca wrote:And what if I have a superior arsenal and defensive network to combat their assault? Can I claim it to be even gooder to have slaughtered them en-masse? :^)

You can claim whatever you want, m8. You could claim that if you said your morality was objectively right from reason, or God. Do you not realize that?


I claim that ur wrong :3

Anyway, I won't know. I'll be in the third fireteam wave of the Short Attack against your positions. =^^^^)


Good luck, imperialist. Take care not to step in the punji pits on your way through the front door. :^)))
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Of course you think it's enlightenment; it's a cheap cop out for having any actual viewpoints on subjects at hand peak enlightened centrism. :p

On the contrary - it is more often a route to radicalism.


Please forgive me if I was rude, I was merely trying that "banter" thing that I keep reading about.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:Good luck, imperialist. Take care not to step in the punji pits on your way through the front door. :^)))

Do you not know how a Short Attack works? I would think a commie would understand their comrades better. =^)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:36 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Please forgive me if I was rude, I was merely trying that "banter" thing that I keep reading about.

I refuse to forgive you because there is nothing to forgive, and then I refuse to forgive you again because constantly apologizing is annoying.
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