Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Diopolis]

Yes. I don't know what the precise threshold or rule is, but I have seen posters get banned for claiming that the holocaust was fake and nothing else.

I'm not keen on banning holocaust denial anywhere. I'd much rather post the laundry list of forensic sources I have that prove that it's an objectively silly position for anyone to adopt. Essentially, light is the best disinfectant. That said, most of the people who deny the Holocaust also tend to spam Antisemitic claims as well. Like dead serious blood libels.

I’d say there’s still a difference between the stereotypical incel and someone who just doesn’t get boned despite wanting to be boned.

Anyone who obsesses with their virginity or lack thereof to the point that they give it a special name is probably socially maladjusted, a member of a niche community, or both. Quite a lot of young men remain virgins until their late twenties. They're a sizable minority actually. I think it's like a fifth of men or something like that.

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown on that demographic- how many are deeply religious, how many are suffering from some kind of unusual circumstance(social anxiety disorder, for example), and how many are simply unlucky.

[Byzconia]

Incels, by definition, aren't attempting to abstain from sex.

That's why vocels exist.

I’d say there’s still a difference between the stereotypical incel and someone who just doesn’t get boned despite wanting to be boned.

Oh, absolutely. I don't really consider myself an "incel," even though women want absolutely nothing to do with me. (Then again, I also recognize my issues are my own, and it has nothing to do with women being "bitches" or "sluts.")

[Byzconia]

Yes. I don't know what the precise threshold or rule is, but I have seen posters get banned for claiming that the holocaust was fake and nothing else.

I'm not keen on banning holocaust denial anywhere. I'd much rather post the laundry list of forensic sources I have that prove that it's an objectively silly position for anyone to adopt. Essentially, light is the best disinfectant. That said, most of the people who deny the Holocaust also tend to spam Antisemitic claims as well. Like dead serious blood libels.

The issue is that the amount of Holocaust deniers who are just ill-informed rather than outright anti-Semitic is likely a small minority. The historical record, at this point, is so detailed and in-depth that you almost have to go out of your way to believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

[Fahran]

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown on that demographic- how many are deeply religious, how many are suffering from some kind of unusual circumstance(social anxiety disorder, for example), and how many are simply unlucky.

I get the sneaking suspicion that only a minority of them would be deeply religious in an orthodox way. I know quite a few Christians who have waited until marriage or who are still waiting. I know some who, while religious, didn't wait. I get the impression from most of the self-described incels that I've bumped into on internet forums that they're extremely isolated and limited in their interpersonal relationships. Even a comparatively shy Christian will have a support network through the church in most cases - since he'd attend multiple times a week - and probably wouldn't have too much trouble meeting young women with similar values and interests.

If I had to guess, I would guess that a lot of them suffer from social anxiety, depression, autism, or some other mental illness or psychological condition that impairs their ability to relate to their peers. As for the rest, some might willingly isolate themselves to pursue hobbies like gaming or be relatively normal introverts who get sucked into this culture of having negative perceptions of women, feeling alienated from society, and believing that people are deliberately trying to demean and/or hurt them. I've tried to start friendly conversations with incels before and, as soon as my gender is mention, the response is hostility. I do feel sad for them, but, at some point, they have to better and empower themselves.

I do hate how people tend to mock incels though. They're already hurting in most cases. They already feel ashamed and inadequate. It's needlessly cruel. I think the solution is for more people, other men especially due to the lack of trust for women many exhibit, to pull them out of their funk. I think an actual study would be hard to get. Maybe interview individuals? But they still have an unreliable narrator problem to an extent.

The issue is that the amount of Holocaust deniers who are just ill-informed rather than outright anti-Semitic is likely a small minority. The historical record, at this point, is so detailed and in-depth that you almost have to go out of your way to believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

That's mostly true. The same goes for most conspiracy theories though. I've gotten a couple people to change their tunes, but they weren't the sorts of people to talk about it openly.

Oh, absolutely. I don't really consider myself an "incel," even though women want absolutely nothing to do with me. (Then again, I also recognize my issues are my own, and it has nothing to do with women being "bitches" or "sluts.")

You'd be surprised. Not calling us sluts/bitches puts you in a better position than a decent number of your peers.

[Diopolis]

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown on that demographic- how many are deeply religious, how many are suffering from some kind of unusual circumstance(social anxiety disorder, for example), and how many are simply unlucky.

I get the sneaking suspicion that only a minority of them would be deeply religious in an orthodox way. I know quite a few Christians who have waited until marriage or who are still waiting. I know some who, while religious, didn't wait. I get the impression from most of the self-described incels that I've bumped into on internet forums that they're extremely isolated and limited in their interpersonal relationships. Even a comparatively shy Christian will have a support network through the church in most cases - since he'd attend multiple times a week - and probably wouldn't have too much trouble meeting young women with similar values and interests.

Well, with the marriage age rising, the proportion of waiting til marriage that is in your late twenties is bound to rise.

[Fahran]

Well, with the marriage age rising, the proportion of waiting til marriage that is in your late twenties is bound to rise.

True, but those people aren't really incels. They're choosing to wait.

[Diopolis]

Well, with the marriage age rising, the proportion of waiting til marriage that is in your late twenties is bound to rise.

True, but those people aren't really incels. They're choosing to wait.

I know. I'm trying to pull the percentage of incels out of that statistic- the deeply religious and those with social anxiety would be two demographics also in that camp.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown on that demographic- how many are deeply religious, how many are suffering from some kind of unusual circumstance(social anxiety disorder, for example), and how many are simply unlucky.

I get the sneaking suspicion that only a minority of them would be deeply religious in an orthodox way. I know quite a few Christians who have waited until marriage or who are still waiting. I know some who, while religious, didn't wait. I get the impression from most of the self-described incels that I've bumped into on internet forums that they're extremely isolated and limited in their interpersonal relationships. Even a comparatively shy Christian will have a support network through the church in most cases - since he'd attend multiple times a week - and probably wouldn't have too much trouble meeting young women with similar values and interests.

If I had to guess, I would guess that a lot of them suffer from social anxiety, depression, autism, or some other mental illness or psychological condition that impairs their ability to relate to their peers. As for the rest, some might willingly isolate themselves to pursue hobbies like gaming or be relatively normal introverts who get sucked into this culture of having negative perceptions of women, feeling alienated from society, and believing that people are deliberately trying to demean and/or hurt them. I've tried to start friendly conversations with incels before and, as soon as my gender is mention, the response is hostility. I do feel sad for them, but, at some point, they have to better and empower themselves.

I do hate how people tend to mock incels though. They're already hurting in most cases. They already feel ashamed and inadequate. It's needlessly cruel. I think the solution is for more people, other men especially due to the lack of trust for women many exhibit, to pull them out of their funk. I think an actual study would be hard to get. Maybe interview individuals? But they still have an unreliable narrator problem to an extent.

It depends what kind of church you attend. I've recently started going to both Catholic and Orthodox services, as well as attending Catholic student union meetings because there's not much of a network at my church.

[United Muscovite Nations]

True, but those people aren't really incels. They're choosing to wait.

I know. I'm trying to pull the percentage of incels out of that statistic- the deeply religious and those with social anxiety would be two demographics also in that camp.

Deeply religious people aren't really incels unless you have a comparatively small sample who can't find a partner willing to "wait" or something like that.

[Diopolis]

I know. I'm trying to pull the percentage of incels out of that statistic- the deeply religious and those with social anxiety would be two demographics also in that camp.

Deeply religious people aren't really incels unless you have a comparatively small sample who can't find a partner willing to "wait" or something like that.

I know. I'm trying to separate the deeply religious, those with severe social anxiety, etc from the incels.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Deeply religious people aren't really incels unless you have a comparatively small sample who can't find a partner willing to "wait" or something like that.

I know. I'm trying to separate the deeply religious, those with severe social anxiety, etc from the incels.

Someone with severe social anxiety would be an incel.

[Conserative Morality]

Someone with severe social anxiety would be an incel.

I would say that incel is a community identity more than a condition.

[Northern Davincia]

Someone with severe social anxiety would be an incel.

I would say that incel is a community identity more than a condition.

How long has it existed as a community?

[Conserative Morality]

How long has it existed as a community?

A few years now. Maybe close to a decade.

[Northern Davincia]

How long has it existed as a community?

A few years now. Maybe close to a decade.

Yikes, that's much older than I expected.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Someone with severe social anxiety would be an incel.

I would say that incel is a community identity more than a condition.

I mean someone that is celibate due to the condition could be considered an incel. But you have a point. I'm involuntarily celibate and I would object to being called an incel, for example.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How long has it existed as a community?

A few years now. Maybe close to a decade.

In its current form, yes, but there have been communities for the involuntarily celibate as long as the internet has existed, probably the first being "Loveshy.com", which I think is still considerably more tame than incel communities, probably in part because it caters more to middle-aged people.

[Northern Davincia]

I would say that incel is a community identity more than a condition.

I mean someone that is celibate due to the condition could be considered an incel. But you have a point. I'm involuntarily celibate and I would object to being called an incel, for example.

Embrace the voluntary path, my friend. We have cookies.

[Fahran]

Embrace the voluntary path, my friend. We have cookies.

Shoo! I'll introduce him to my Christian sorority sisters.

Anyhow, back to right-wing stuff.

[Northern Davincia]

Embrace the voluntary path, my friend. We have cookies.

Shoo! I'll introduce him to my Christian sorority sisters.

Anyhow, back to right-wing stuff.

Can we make a right-wing dating simulator?

[Diopolis]

Shoo! I'll introduce him to my Christian sorority sisters.

Anyhow, back to right-wing stuff.

Can we make a right-wing dating simulator?

Please stop trying to ship us with each other until we've had enough time to take bets.

[Fahran]

Please stop trying to ship us with each other until we've had enough time to take bets.

What do you think would be the most disastrous ship based on ideological, religious, or political beliefs? I'm morbidly curious now.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Please stop trying to ship us with each other until we've had enough time to take bets.

What do you think would be the most disastrous ship based on ideological, religious, or political beliefs? I'm morbidly curious now.

OEP and Torrocca would be pretty disastrous.

[Dresderstan]

Can we make a right-wing dating simulator?

Please stop trying to ship us with each other until we've had enough time to take bets.

Too late. I already have 5 ships ready to launch.

[Diopolis]

What do you think would be the most disastrous ship based on ideological, religious, or political beliefs? I'm morbidly curious now.

OEP and Torrocca would be pretty disastrous.

I now want to see them on divorce court...