Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Aellex]

Because Martin Luther somehow kept Cesare Borgia from becoming Pope and turning the papacy pagan.

I feel this is something that historians need to be informed about.

I think he meant "Thank Goodness there was someone even worse in the person of Luther to carry on the torch of degeneracy and show us worlds of heresy and apostasy we would have never thought could even exist."

[Reikoku]

Because Martin Luther somehow kept Cesare Borgia from becoming Pope and turning the papacy pagan.

I feel this is something that historians need to be informed about.

I think he meant "Thank Goodness there was someone even worse in the person of Luther to carry on the torch of degeneracy and show us worlds of heresy and apostasy we would have never thought could even exist."

The Borgia sold out Christianity for gold and women, Luther sold out Christianity for a single nun.

[Loben]

I think he meant "Thank Goodness there was someone even worse in the person of Luther to carry on the torch of degeneracy and show us worlds of heresy and apostasy we would have never thought could even exist."

The Borgia sold out Christianity for gold and women, Luther sold out Christianity for a single nun.

Luther saved Christianity for what its worth.

[Herskerstad]

I think he meant "Thank Goodness there was someone even worse in the person of Luther to carry on the torch of degeneracy and show us worlds of heresy and apostasy we would have never thought could even exist."

The Borgia sold out Christianity for gold and women, Luther sold out Christianity for a single nun.

Yeah Luther exalting the family as opposed to the quasi-monastic interpretation of the imperfect men some Catholic theologians called women was a real blow.

[Minzerland II]

The Borgia sold out Christianity for gold and women, Luther sold out Christianity for a single nun.

Yeah Luther exalting the family as opposed to the quasi-monastic interpretation of the imperfect men some Catholic theologians called women was a real blow.

>Luther
>exalting the family
>steals the Son of Man’s bride

[Herskerstad]

Yeah Luther exalting the family as opposed to the quasi-monastic interpretation of the imperfect men some Catholic theologians called women was a real blow.

>Luther
>exalting the family
>steals the Son of Man’s bride

Oh woe is Christendom that something not even murmored by Christ should be abolished as a tradition.

[Minzerland II]

>Luther
>exalting the family
>steals the Son of Man’s bride

Oh woe is Christendom that something not even murmored by Christ should be abolished as a tradition.

Yet their making was in the Early Church and they were extolled by Church Fathers. Does St. Paul not praise abstinence?

[Bienenhalde]

Sounds like an utter disaster. Thank goodness for Martin Luther.

Because Martin Luther somehow kept Cesare Borgia from becoming Pope and turning the papacy pagan.
I feel this is something that historians need to be informed about.

Well, the event of the Reformation did spur the Roman Catholic Church to start reforming itself from within and dealing with the corruption of morals among the clergy. But of course it was also helpful that Borgia was killed by Navarrese knights ten years before Luther nailed the 95 Theses.

[Bienenhalde]

Because Martin Luther somehow kept Cesare Borgia from becoming Pope and turning the papacy pagan.

I feel this is something that historians need to be informed about.

I think he meant "Thank Goodness there was someone even worse in the person of Luther to carry on the torch of degeneracy and show us worlds of heresy and apostasy we would have never thought could even exist."

Tsk, tsk! How dare you slander the good name of a saintly man of God on All Saints' Day!

[Herskerstad]

Oh woe is Christendom that something not even murmored by Christ should be abolished as a tradition.

Yet their making was in the Early Church and they were extolled by Church Fathers. Does St. Paul not praise abstinence?

Yeah 3-4th century. Very early church.

Paul praises abstinence, but no more can that be used to justify monasticism than fasting to self-inflicted famine.

[Misthas]

The Borgia sold out Christianity for gold and women, Luther sold out Christianity for a single nun.

Luther saved Christianity for what its worth.

What do you mean by saved?

[Oil exporting People]

You gotta quit LARPing man.

For what it's worth, however, my costume is a trash bag.

I was a black cat to raise awareness for animal abuse. Also, because sometimes I'm basic.

Most of the Black Cats here were thots.

[Minzerland II]

Yet their making was in the Early Church and they were extolled by Church Fathers. Does St. Paul not praise abstinence?

Yeah 3-4th century. Very early church.

Paul praises abstinence, but no more can that be used to justify monasticism than fasting to self-inflicted famine.

So what? The Nicene Creed is from the 4th Century, St. Augustine, from whom I understand Calvinism derives its soteriology and predestination, was from the 5th Century and Calvinism from the 16th Century. They’re from the Early Church irregardless. Besides, the beginnings of nuns can be found before then in the writings of St. Justin Martyr (165) and Tertullian (220).

Monasticism didn’t exist until the 4th Century, IIRC, but I don’t see how monasticism is anything less than communal asceticism, or, rather, a continuation of it.

[Herskerstad]

Yeah 3-4th century. Very early church.

Paul praises abstinence, but no more can that be used to justify monasticism than fasting to self-inflicted famine.

So what? The Nicene Creed is from the 4th Century, St. Augustine, from whom I understand Calvinism derives its soteriology and predestination, was from the 5th Century and Calvinism from the 16th Century. They’re from the Early Church irregardless. Besides, the beginnings of nuns can be found before then in the writings of St. Justin Martyr (165) and Tertullian (220).

Monasticism didn’t exist until the 4th Century, IIRC, but I don’t see how monasticism is anything less than communal asceticism, or, rather, a continuation of it.

My objection was not that nothing good occurred on in said century, my objection was that it is an invention that takes license strictly from it's self-developed tradition and at best only secondarily parts from scripture. And anyone who's a Christian is a bride to Christ, there's no spesial designation in heaven mentioned for nuns. Either way, it's going into areas non-germane to RWDT as it stands.

Rather we can say this. Kulturkampf was a healthy program. Bismarck do it again!

[Salus Maior]

So what? The Nicene Creed is from the 4th Century, St. Augustine, from whom I understand Calvinism derives its soteriology and predestination, was from the 5th Century and Calvinism from the 16th Century. They’re from the Early Church irregardless. Besides, the beginnings of nuns can be found before then in the writings of St. Justin Martyr (165) and Tertullian (220).

Monasticism didn’t exist until the 4th Century, IIRC, but I don’t see how monasticism is anything less than communal asceticism, or, rather, a continuation of it.

My objection was not that nothing good occurred on in said century, my objection was that it is an invention that takes license strictly from it's self-developed tradition and at best only secondarily parts from scripture. And anyone who's a Christian is a bride to Christ, there's no spesial designation in heaven mentioned for nuns. Either way, it's going into areas non-germane to RWDT as it stands.

Rather we can say this. Kulturkampf was a healthy program. Bismarck do it again!

>A 'self developed tradition' that literally all Christians believed in before the 15th century, and has been largely a great boon to Christianity and Christian nations in general in that time and to now.

And I guess considering we never talk in the CDT I guess this particular discussion will never continue

As an aside, I find it regrettable that the Holy Roman Emperors never managed to subdue the Papacy under their government. Or, well, keep any kind of government together.

[Frievolk]

We should return to nature worship and abandon the clever philosophizing of monotheism in favor of revering Heaven and Earth.

tl;dr stop violating rocks' NAP

sorry but one absolute God that is all knowning, all powerful and everywhere at the same time beats any Japanese deity.

The concept of an all knowing, all powerful, everywhere-at-the-same-time god is so ridiculously OP and Mary Sue-ish I know for a fact I'd throw away any book with such a character in it.

[Old Tyrannia]

This would've been the best timeline.

Really, the best timeline would have been the Portuguese and Japanese converts burning every Shinto shrine to the ground.

Alas, that didn't happen and now we have weebs like you to deal with.

Woah, slow down there, Catholic DAESH.

The 5^th November is coming up, you'll have plenty of opportunities to be salty then, I'm sure.

[Uxupox]

sorry but one absolute God that is all knowning, all powerful and everywhere at the same time beats any Japanese deity.

The concept of an all knowing, all powerful, everywhere-at-the-same-time god is so ridiculously OP and Mary Sue-ish I know for a fact I'd throw away any book with such a character in it.

God is OP and he can’t he be Mary Sue since he/she is the writer of this book.

[Frievolk]

The concept of an all knowing, all powerful, everywhere-at-the-same-time god is so ridiculously OP and Mary Sue-ish I know for a fact I'd throw away any book with such a character in it.

God is OP and he can’t he be Mary Sue since he/she is the writer of this book.

Assuming god is the writer of the book, there's still the fact that Self-Insert Mary Sues are even worse than regular Mary Sues tho

[Uxupox]

God is OP and he can’t he be Mary Sue since he/she is the writer of this book.

Assuming god is the writer of the book, there's still the fact that Self-Insert Mary Sues are even worse than regular Mary Sues tho

Self insert books are most of the time badly made and are abominations.

[Reikoku]

Really, the best timeline would have been the Portuguese and Japanese converts burning every Shinto shrine to the ground.

I should make a quip about how the fumi-e needs to be brought back, or that Christianity is an evil religion that needed to be destroyed, but I don't think that I will stoop to the levels of your savagery. The Yamato damashii could never be destroyed by the vulgar efforts of the Portuguese slavers-cum-missionaries and those daimyo who they had bribed into converting with promise of trade.

Alas, that didn't happen and now we have weebs like you to deal with.

[Grenartia]

This would've been the best timeline.

Really, the best timeline would have been the Portuguese and Japanese converts burning every Shinto shrine to the ground.

Alas, that didn't happen and now we have weebs like you to deal with.

"What the fuck is this shit? I never said to do this!" --Jesus, after reading your post.

[Germanic Templars]

Really, the best timeline would have been the Portuguese and Japanese converts burning every Shinto shrine to the ground.

Alas, that didn't happen and now we have weebs like you to deal with.

"What the fuck is this shit? I never said to do this!" --Jesus, after reading your post.

That is because he was nowhere near a shinto shrine, let alone any shrine that was Hindu or anything East of modern day Israel, silly.

[Grenartia]

"What the fuck is this shit? I never said to do this!" --Jesus, after reading your post.

That is because he was nowhere near a shinto shrine, let alone any shrine that was Hindu or anything East of modern day Israel, silly.

I see you deny God's omnipresence.

[Fahran]

This would've been the best timeline.

While Cesare Borgia certainly indulged in the sorts of heretical shenanigans not uncommon among the secular nobility of his age, resorting to astrology and the like, and would have made a poor priest, it's a stretch to argue that he wasn't at least nominally Catholic. I suspect his papacy, if it had materialized, would have rather resembled that of his father - who was a more secular pope but far more clever than most modern people give him credit for.

Better the Tarpeian Rock and remembered as a righteous Roman, rather than a degenerate who likes to swim with Tiberius' "minnows." :^)

Rei, you're bullying CM like Pompey bullied Mithridates.