Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Bienenhalde]

The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

Remember that Italy became the fifth largest industrialized nation during the 1980s. And Italy experienced growth during the post-WW2 era. But then we had The Years of Lead during the 1970s and the Tangentopoli scandals in 1992.

Not to mention the reoccurring cultural and political conflict between the different regions of Italy, particularly between the north and the south.

[Fahran]

Suggesting Cesare himself wasn't plagued by corruption. Then again, I guess Incompetent he was not, which is still better than the current administrations.

He would have been better for Italy and the people than the aristocratic vultures who rebelled against their rightful sovereign. He's mainly remembered poorly because he didn't succeed in his ultimate goal. There's a reason Machiavelli seems to have admired him.

[Frievolk]

Suggesting Cesare himself wasn't plagued by corruption. Then again, I guess Incompetent he was not, which is still better than the current administrations.

He would have been better for Italy and the people than the aristocratic vultures who rebelled against their rightful sovereign. He's mainly remembered poorly because he didn't succeed in his ultimate goal. There's a reason Machiavelli seems to have admired him.

1450s Italy as a region had no sovereign though. Unless you count whatever remained of The Byzantines as the rightful successors to Rome (and thus sovereign to Italy)
Just because he had ambitions to become a king or such did not mean he had the sovereignty he coveted.

[Fahran]

1450s Italy as a region had no sovereign though. Unless you count whatever remained of The Byzantines as the rightful successors to Rome (and thus sovereign to Italy)
Just because he had ambitions to become a king or such did not mean he had the sovereignty he coveted.

Cesare Borgia was most active in the 1490's and early 1500's. The Papacy, which he represented, absolutely was sovereign over the Papal States and the Pope Alexander VI created him Duke of the Romagna, making him sovereign over those territories. Julius II, who was his sovereign soon after, behaved in a somewhat erratic and arbitrary fashion in treating him as he did - though, admittedly, they were long-time political enemies. That said, even he wouldn't have been able to resist the Holy Roman Empire.

[Benuty]

What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

Garibaldi's dream made true a century late.

More like a nightmare.

[Conserative Morality]

The nobility of Italy was ineffectual, corrupt, rebellious, and oppressive.

The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

It's a 2000 year-old Italian tradition.

[Kowani]

Remember that Italy became the fifth largest industrialized nation during the 1980s. And Italy experienced growth during the post-WW2 era. But then we had The Years of Lead during the 1970s and the Tangentopoli scandals in 1992.

Not to mention the reoccurring cultural and political conflict between the different regions of Italy, particularly between the north and the south.

Add the various magias, most of which were based in the South, into the equation while you’re at it.

[Reikoku]

Having invested its highest authority, the Petrine legacy, in a frightful monstrosity, Christianity would have produced its other, in the person of Pope Cesare Borgia. This papacy would have announced the self-overcoming of Christian morality, for Cesare Borgia would have appropriated the influence and infrastructure of Western Christianity for his own lusty celebration of pagan naturalism. "With that," Nietzsche opines, "Christianity would have been abolished."

This would've been the best timeline.

[Genivaria]

The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

It's a 2000 year-old Italian tradition.

Spoken like a true Greekling.

[Conserative Morality]

Spoken like a true Greekling.

N-no, t-that's not true! I-I am a proud recipient of such corruption! Corruption now, corruption tomorrow, corruption forever! I even have a tax farming business, s-see?

[Reikoku]

Spoken like a true Greekling.

N-no, t-that's not true! I-I am a proud recipient of such corruption! Corruption now, corruption tomorrow, corruption forever! I even have a tax farming business, s-see?

So Donald Trump is the heir of the Roman Emperors.

[Conserative Morality]

So Donald Trump is the heir of the Roman Emperors.

No, just of the parasitic Italian ruling class that slowly was replaced by the Emperors even in the Senate for being worthless, sycophantic parasites.

[Reikoku]

So Donald Trump is the heir of the Roman Emperors.

No, just of the parasitic Italian ruling class that slowly was replaced by the Emperors even in the Senate for being worthless, sycophantic parasites.

That describes Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Commodus, and probably a load of other Emperors pretty well.

[Conserative Morality]

That describes Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Commodus, and probably a load of other Emperors pretty well.

>> bad talking Tiberius

Sejanus, take this dishonorable dog to the Tarpeian Rock!

[Genivaria]

Spoken like a true Greekling.

N-no, t-that's not true! I-I am a proud recipient of such corruption! Corruption now, corruption tomorrow, corruption forever! I even have a tax farming business, s-see?

Now spoken like a Roman Patrician.

[Reikoku]

That describes Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Commodus, and probably a load of other Emperors pretty well.

>> bad talking Tiberius

Sejanus, take this dishonorable dog to the Tarpeian Rock!

Better the Tarpeian Rock and remembered as a righteous Roman, rather than a degenerate who likes to swim with Tiberius' "minnows." :^)

[Freezic Vast]

Italy should have kept the monarchy, declare himself emperor and restart the Roman Empire.

[Uxupox]

N-no, t-that's not true! I-I am a proud recipient of such corruption! Corruption now, corruption tomorrow, corruption forever! I even have a tax farming business, s-see?

Now spoken like a Roman Patrician.

The plebeian class will rule as it should or else you are an enemy of the republic and need to remedy yourself appropriately by going to the nearest guillotine.

[Reikoku]

Italy should have kept the monarchy, declare himself emperor and restart the Roman Empire.

Kind of hard to restart the Roman Empire when you were just humiliatingly defeated in a World War, suffered through a civil war, and were forced to surrender all of your colonies.

[Conserative Morality]

Italy should have kept the monarchy, declare himself emperor and restart the Roman Empire.

>> kept the monarchy
>> declare himself emperor
>> restart the Roman Empire

Pick two, and if it's the first and the third we call you a Byzantine.

The plebeian class will rule as it should or else you are an enemy of the republic and need to remedy yourself appropriately by going to the nearest guillotine.

I'll go willingly so long as I go last and get to watch the rest of the nobility get the chop before I do. =^)

[Conserative Morality]

>> bad talking Tiberius

Sejanus, take this dishonorable dog to the Tarpeian Rock!

Better the Tarpeian Rock and remembered as a righteous Roman, rather than a degenerate who likes to swim with Tiberius' "minnows." :^)

>> kinkshaming in 2018

I thought better of you!

[Genivaria]

Now spoken like a Roman Patrician.

The plebeian class will rule as it should or else you are an enemy of the republic and need to remedy yourself appropriately by going to the nearest guillotine.

*Nods* The Roman Senate is nothing but a party of corrupt hedonists and traitors, ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE'S TRIBUNES!

[Conserative Morality]

*Nods* The Roman Senate is nothing but a party of corrupt hedonists and traitors, ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE'S TRIBUNES!

Gracchi Gang Represent

[Dumb Ideologies]

Italy should have kept the monarchy, declare himself emperor and restart the Roman Empire.

Kind of hard to restart the Roman Empire when you were just humiliatingly defeated in a World War, suffered through a civil war, and were forced to surrender all of your colonies.

Any breakaway provinces can easily be brought back into line by the strong but merciful hand of an Illyrian cavalry commander.

[Uxupox]

Italy should have kept the monarchy, declare himself emperor and restart the Roman Empire.

>> kept the monarchy
>> declare himself emperor
>> restart the Roman Empire

Pick two, and if it's the first and the third we call you a Byzantine.

The plebeian class will rule as it should or else you are an enemy of the republic and need to remedy yourself appropriately by going to the nearest guillotine.

I'll go willingly so long as I go last and get to watch the rest of the nobility get the chop before I do. =^)

The nobles will lose their privileges and become plebeians. If they resist then they will head to the square and be made an example as to why resisting progressive values is intolerable and is expedient to death.