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Trumptonium1
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:30 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.


Tragic and one of the reasons why Italy went to crap over time. The referendum itself was dodgy - confirmed riots against monarchists in the north, the forced censorship of the King to disable him from forming public opinion then exiling him from the country (but why?) and an extremely hasty post-removal process to install his opponents as head of state, which is shady.

Mezzogiorno should have left at that point.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:33 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

Garibaldi's dream made true a century late.
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Postby Reikoku » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:06 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.


Victor Emmanuel III was a coward who abandoned his country with Badoglio without giving his troops any clear orders. Neither he nor his dynasty deserved to sit on a throne.

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Postby Painisia » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:54 am

Reikoku wrote:
Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.


Victor Emmanuel III was a coward who abandoned his country with Badoglio without giving his troops any clear orders. Neither he nor his dynasty deserved to sit on a throne.


But Southern Italy seemed to love him.
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:51 am

Oil exporting People wrote:You gotta quit LARPing man.

For what it's worth, however, my costume is a trash bag.

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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Reikoku » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:01 am

Tomorrow is the anniversary of Otoya Yamaguchi's death. Press f to pay respects.

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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:13 am

Mardla wrote:"The equality of the sexes does not consist, as some have supposed, in the fact that women can, if necessary, be soldiers, or that men can, if necessary, be housemaids. If anything it consists in the fact that men are bad housemaids and women bad soldiers."

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I might have to get into this guy, he seems pretty based and I love Hillaire Belloc.

There's a reason Lumi loves her Chesterton. He's quite preeminent among the English-speaking Catholic thinkers.

Freezic Vast wrote:Make it 100 years that actually lasts 116 and instead of being between two nations have it be between Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox Christian nations, and possibly throw in Jews and Muslims into the mix.

Leave us out of it please. We have no desire to convert people, even if reforming the Jewish Legion would be epic.
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:30 am

Reikoku wrote:Tomorrow is the anniversary of Otoya Yamaguchi's death. Press f to pay respects.



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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:35 am

I think I'm becoming more conservative.

*Shilling for Marie Antoinette harder than Edmund Burke ever did.*
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Reikoku » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:41 am

Fahran wrote:Leave us out of it please. We have no desire to convert people, even if reforming the Jewish Legion would be epic.


Rei: so if I wanted to become Jewish, I could?
Rabbi: theoretically, but I would have to reject you three times
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: okay, you rejected me three times, now can I become a Jew?
Rabbi: ...

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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:53 am

Reikoku wrote:Rei: so if I wanted to become Jewish, I could?
Rabbi: theoretically, but I would have to reject you three times
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: can I become a Jew now?
Rabbi: no
Rei: okay, you rejected me three times, now can I become a Jew?
Rabbi: ...

Accurate. :lol:
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:31 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

As I have said before, the whole idea of Italian unification was a mistake to begin with. Instead of having a unified Kingdom of Italy, the old regional princes should have remained in power.

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Postby Frievolk » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:34 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

As I have said before, the whole idea of Italian unification was a mistake to begin with. Instead of having a unified Kingdom of Italy, the old regional princes should have remained in power.
To be honest, the lower the number of states in Europe, the better imo.
That said, I can't deny I'd love to see what a German Confederation situation in Central Europe would do to the current Geopolitics of the continent.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:34 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

Mussolini should have established himself as Emperor after that, it was a great thing
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:34 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.


Tragic and one of the reasons why Italy went to crap over time. The referendum itself was dodgy - confirmed riots against monarchists in the north, the forced censorship of the King to disable him from forming public opinion then exiling him from the country (but why?) and an extremely hasty post-removal process to install his opponents as head of state, which is shady.

Mezzogiorno should have left at that point.


Then they could have restored the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. :)

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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 am

Aellex wrote:
Painisia wrote:What do you all think of the abolition of the Italian Monarchy in 1946? Well, they did nothing while Mussolini did his business.

Garibaldi's dream made true a century late.


I thought that was burning the Vatican. :' ) Oh well, there's always next century . . .
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 am

Italy, despite its numerous problems, is probably still preferable to the Italian states that dominated the peninsula prior to unification in much the same way as Germany under Prussian hegemony was superior to the polities that preceded it in its efficacy and power. Nobody short of a Bavarian or Venetian nationalist or someone who wished to prevent a challenge to their own influence would have objections to these states.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:50 am

Fahran wrote:Italy, despite its numerous problems, is probably still preferable to the Italian states that dominated the peninsula prior to unification in much the same way as Germany under Prussian hegemony was superior to the polities that preceded it in its efficacy and power. Nobody short of a Bavarian or Venetian nationalist or someone who wished to prevent a challenge to their own influence would have objections to these states.

I am pretty sure that the pope was not too happy about the unification of Italy. And anyway, the regional states in Italy should have been loosely federated under an organization like the Holy Roman Empire or the EU, rather than being put under the authority of a centralized unitary state.

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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:58 am

Bienenhalde wrote:I am pretty sure that the pope was not too happy about the unification of Italy.

The Ghibellines did nothing wrong. :p

Bienenhalde wrote:And anyway, the regional states in Italy should have been loosely federated under an organization like the Holy Roman Empire or the EU, rather than being put under the authority of a centralized unitary state.

Those so-called states had been subordinated to the Crowns of Aragon, Austria, and France for centuries by the time Garibaldi and the Crown of Sardinia unified them. Honestly, I wouldn't even have complained if Cesare Borgia had crushed the rebellious princes of the Romagna at an earlier date. The nobility of Italy was ineffectual, corrupt, rebellious, and oppressive.
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:07 am

Fahran wrote:The nobility of Italy was ineffectual, corrupt, rebellious, and oppressive.


The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

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Postby Frievolk » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:17 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Fahran wrote:The nobility of Italy was ineffectual, corrupt, rebellious, and oppressive.


The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

I mean Italy itself is pretty ineffectual and corrupt, all things considered.
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Postby Fahran » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:19 am

Bienenhalde wrote:The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

True. Most of southern Europe is plagued by corruption and incompetent governance. They need another Cesare.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Frievolk » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:22 am

Fahran wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.

True. Most of southern Europe is plagued by corruption and incompetent governance. They need another Cesare.

Suggesting Cesare himself wasn't plagued by corruption. Then again, I guess Incompetent he was not, which is still better than the current administrations.
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Postby Taliostia » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 am

I wouldn't describe myself as "Right-Wing", I'm more neutral.

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Postby Painisia » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:24 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Fahran wrote:The nobility of Italy was ineffectual, corrupt, rebellious, and oppressive.


The political leaders in modern, republican Italy are also pretty ineffectual and corrupt.


Remember that Italy became the fifth largest industrialized nation during the 1980s. And Italy experienced growth during the post-WW2 era. But then we had The Years of Lead during the 1970s and the Tangentopoli scandals in 1992.
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