Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Bienenhalde]

And what exactly do you mean by "non-coherent" ideologies?

Because that can rapidly degenerate into meaning "My political ideology is better than yours!".

Well, my political ideology *is* better than your's.

Any proclaimed ideology that lacks firm and stable principles. Parties of power, client-patron systems, etc.

Fair point. This is exactly why I dislike Putin and Trump. Because they have no clear principles and only seem to care about power.

[Chernoslavia]

Can I haz MG08/15?

Fun fact: No.

That's not fun

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because you stem for traditional conservative Al-Islam.

No I don't. I stem for Al-Islam. Regardless, how does that not make me right-wing?

The reason I wouldn't consider you right wing is because your political opinions derive from outside the Western experience, which places them outside the Western left-right paradigm.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Fun fact: No.

That's not fun

Can I haz MG08/15?

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

[Chernoslavia]

That's not fun

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

Will you gibs MG08/15 if I do?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No I don't. I stem for Al-Islam. Regardless, how does that not make me right-wing?

The reason I wouldn't consider you right wing is because your political opinions derive from outside the Western experience, which places them outside the Western left-right paradigm.

Since when was the spectrum only for Western political thought? And Islamism doesn't really fall outside the Western experience, considering Muslim influence on the West.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The reason I wouldn't consider you right wing is because your political opinions derive from outside the Western experience, which places them outside the Western left-right paradigm.

Since when was the spectrum only for Western political thought? And Islamism doesn't really fall outside the Western experience, considering Muslim influence on the West.

Because the left-right spectrum comes from the conception of politics of the French Revolution.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Will you gibs MG08/15 if I do?

I just want to know your reasoning. I'll gib that regardless of your answer.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Since when was the spectrum only for Western political thought? And Islamism doesn't really fall outside the Western experience, considering Muslim influence on the West.

Because the left-right spectrum comes from the conception of politics of the French Revolution.

You're the 2nd person who's responded that quickly to one of my posts lol
In that case, ok. But what about Diopolis and other Christian NSGers? They base their ideology on Christianity (not as strongly as I do with Al-Islam, but still).

[Chernoslavia]

Will you gibs MG08/15 if I do?

I just want to know your reasoning. I'll gib that regardless of your answer.

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

[Napkiraly]

Because the left-right spectrum comes from the conception of politics of the French Revolution.

You're the 2nd person who's responded that quickly to one of my posts lol
In that case, ok. But what about Diopolis and other Christian NSGers? They base their ideology on Christianity (not as strongly as I do with Al-Islam, but still).

Christianity is a key component of Western history and culture. The West was never Islamic.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I just want to know your reasoning. I'll gib that regardless of your answer.

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

Then what would I be considered in the West?

You're the 2nd person who's responded that quickly to one of my posts lol
In that case, ok. But what about Diopolis and other Christian NSGers? They base their ideology on Christianity (not as strongly as I do with Al-Islam, but still).

Christianity is a key component of Western history and culture. The West was never Islamic.

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

Then what would I be considered in the West?

Christianity is a key component of Western history and culture. The West was never Islamic.

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

Only small parts of the Balkans were ever Islamic, Iberia is no longer Islamic (and hasn't been for centuries), I wouldn't consider the Caucasus Western (even the Christian parts), and almost no one would consider any of those other things Western.

[Freezic Vast]

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

Then what would I be considered in the West?

Christianity is a key component of Western history and culture. The West was never Islamic.

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

Tell me, which areas in the West remain majority Islam then?

[Chernoslavia]

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

And the Crimean Tatars.

*laughs in cossack*

[Mardla]

"The equality of the sexes does not consist, as some have supposed, in the fact that women can, if necessary, be soldiers, or that men can, if necessary, be housemaids. If anything it consists in the fact that men are bad housemaids and women bad soldiers."

-G.K. Chesterton

I might have to get into this guy, he seems pretty based and I love Hillaire Belloc.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Then what would I be considered in the West?

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

Only small parts of the Balkans were ever Islamic, Iberia is no longer Islamic (and hasn't been for centuries), I wouldn't consider the Caucasus Western (even the Christian parts), and almost no one would consider any of those other things Western.

By "west" I was thinking Europe. Also, it still debunks Nap's claim that the West was never Islamic.

Then what would I be considered in the West?

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

Tell me, which areas in the West remain majority Islam then?

Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo (if you consider it a country).

Anyway, so if I don't fall into the "Western" left-right spectrum, what do I fall under?

[Napkiraly]

I don't consider you conservative because of your overall political views. Also, I second UMN's statement. You wouldn't be considered conservative in the West.

Then what would I be considered in the West?

Christianity is a key component of Western history and culture. The West was never Islamic.

Tell that to Iberia, Sicily, Malta, and the Balkans. And the Caucasas. And Tatarstan and Bashkortotostan. And the Crimean Tatars.

Iberia hasn't been under widespread Islamic rule for nearly 800 years and Sicily for nearly 1000. Neither of which I would consider part of the West during their time under Islamic rule. The last few are definitely not Western. The Caucasus is a bit of an iffy one and despite the large spread presence of Christianity, many still don't consider them part of the West (along with other eastern countries that are still predominately Christian).

[Darussalam]

Islamists might not share values with the left-tribe, but Islamists tend to identify with the fringe of the left-tribe and vice versa.

[Napkiraly]

Only small parts of the Balkans were ever Islamic, Iberia is no longer Islamic (and hasn't been for centuries), I wouldn't consider the Caucasus Western (even the Christian parts), and almost no one would consider any of those other things Western.

By "west" I was thinking Europe. Also, it still debunks Nap's claim that the West was never Islamic.

Tell me, which areas in the West remain majority Islam then?

Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo (if you consider it a country).

Anyway, so if I don't fall into the "Western" left-right spectrum, what do I fall under?

Bosnia and Albania have both curtailed a lot of their Islamic influences, particularly the latter. What they built their countries off of were Western institutions and norms heavily influenced and derived from earlier Western history which was entwined with Christianity.

[Genivaria]

Islamists might not share values with the left-tribe, but Islamists tend to identify with the fringe of the left-tribe and vice versa.

Ah yes I'm reminded of the Soviet-Islamist alliance, as we saw in Afghanistan.

[Proctopeo]

Can I haz MG08/15?

Why do you not consider me right-wing?

By policy, you are largely right-wing... but due to your religion, you're a part of the right-wing aligned more in modern years with the left than with the right.

UMN has a point, though - as your ideology exists outside of the Western sphere, you're technically neither.

[Napkiraly]

Islamists might not share values with the left-tribe, but Islamists tend to identify with the fringe of the left-tribe and vice versa.

Ah yes I'm reminded of the Soviet-Islamist alliance, as we saw in Afghanistan.

Tbf the Red-Green alliance is real in certain circles.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Ah yes I'm reminded of the Soviet-Islamist alliance, as we saw in Afghanistan.

Tbf the Red-Green alliance is real in certain circles.

A progressive-Islamist alliance is a massive mathematical contradiction.

[Napkiraly]

Tbf the Red-Green alliance is real in certain circles.

A progressive-Islamist alliance is a massive mathematical contradiction.

And yet I have seen it happen.