Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[The South Falls]

Wouldn't that take a monotheistic approach to God's? Where competing gods form competing religions are peopped up by people.

The thing is that, while you believed in multiple deities, you usually worshiped a few of them particularly. For example, you'd pour libations over the altars of your household deities. You'd honor and go to the temple of your patron deity - into whose cult you had probably been formally initiated. You'd show proper reverence for the city's deities. And you pray to others when you wanted to acquire their favor or placate their wrath. Cults became important and wealthy social institutions and often they had different values and appealed to different social classes. The people who worshiped Dionysus and Persephone primarily weren't the same as the people who worshiped Phoebus Apollo, Zeus Olympios, or Pallas Athena.

That's a perspective that I hadn't heard of. I personally think that maybe some Gods would be less commonly worshipped than others, and the majority would enact some sort of conversion and uniformity even within the polytheistic system, which would end conflict.

[Hanafuridake]

True. But it is an absolutely horrible idea to promote TCM.

You're missing my point by a wide margin. No one in this thread, least of all me, has promoted alternative medicine. If I'd lived two hundred years ago, I would have been a Rangakusha.

We have our own.
Which does not have any crazy fake medicine.

I assume you're referring to an American civic religion, which is not clearly defined, and does not have the ethical or philosophical depth of Confucian studies. Confucianism is not limited to one country, I've referred to at least one Japanese Neo-Confucian and to a couple of Japanese Confucian schools of thought with their own independence from mainland Asia. It can and has adapted itself to new countries.

[Bienenhalde]

That’s not really how it works, mate.

Explain why the most powerful countries in the world don’t worship multiple weird looking things as gods. India is the only strong country that does that, but America, Russia, and China are ahead of them. They are more successful despite problems they face. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, atheism, and agnosticism are infinitely better than some dated cult in the east. Buddhism and the like are shit compared to modern religion. They are not the source of democracy and science.

I am a Christian, but I must say that this is a pretty bad argument for Christianity. Of course, I appreciate the positive contributions that Christianity has made to civilization, but I do not support contemporary Western society's devotion to the false idols of democracy, scientism, and pursuit of technological progress at all costs. Sure, the West may have conquering the world, but might does not make right and material prosperity is not the only good. Modern Western society is so cold, materialistic, and degenerate; if anything, to suggest Christianity is responsible for the mess we are in today is an argument against Christianity, not one in its favor.

[Novus America]

True. But it is an absolutely horrible idea to promote TCM.

You're missing my point by a wide margin. No one in this thread, least of all me, has promoted alternative medicine. If I'd lived two hundred years ago, I would have been a Rangakusha.

We have our own.
Which does not have any crazy fake medicine.

I assume you're referring to an American civic religion, which is not clearly defined, and does not have the ethical or philosophical depth of Confucian studies. Confucianism is not limited to one country, I've referred to at least one Japanese Neo-Confucian and to a couple of Japanese Confucian schools of thought with their own independence from mainland Asia. It can and has adapted itself to new countries.

American Civic religion could be better defined. Sure.
It needs to be better defined and effectively taught in all government funded schools.

But Confucianism is also not always very well defined.

However to claims that Hamilton, Franklin, Madison, Paine lack the ethical and philosophical depth of Chinese and Japanese philosophers is just chauvinism.
What makes them inferior? What makes them less intelligent, less well read?

Plus it works better for us anyways.
We need not import that which we already have. And works better for us.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Explain why the most powerful countries in the world don’t worship multiple weird looking things as gods. India is the only strong country that does that, but America, Russia, and China are ahead of them. They are more successful despite problems they face. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, atheism, and agnosticism are infinitely better than some dated cult in the east. Buddhism and the like are shit compared to modern religion. They are not the source of democracy and science.

I am a Christian, but I must say that this is a pretty bad argument for Christianity. Of course, I appreciate the positive contributions that Christianity has made to civilization, but I do not support contemporary Western society's devotion to the false idols of democracy, scientism, and pursuit of technological progress at all costs. Sure, the West may have conquering the world, but might does not make right and material prosperity is not the only good. Modern Western society is so cold, materialistic, and degenerate; if anything, to suggest Christianity is responsible for the mess we are in today is an argument against Christianity, not one in its favor.

Democracy and the scientific method are positive things, which Christianity should feel lucky to be associated with, and the "mess" we're in today is the greatest time and place for living in the known universe, at least in terms of material prosperity. But I think we're also in a pretty good place morally compared to most of history. The average human in the first world is more tolerant, more intelligent and less violent than earlier in our history, far as I can tell.

[Fahran]

And the new thread is ready to go up as soon as this one gets locked. Thank heavens. Y'all scared me.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I am a Christian, but I must say that this is a pretty bad argument for Christianity. Of course, I appreciate the positive contributions that Christianity has made to civilization, but I do not support contemporary Western society's devotion to the false idols of democracy, scientism, and pursuit of technological progress at all costs. Sure, the West may have conquering the world, but might does not make right and material prosperity is not the only good. Modern Western society is so cold, materialistic, and degenerate; if anything, to suggest Christianity is responsible for the mess we are in today is an argument against Christianity, not one in its favor.

Western society is great compared to the rest of the world. While Trump acts like a complete idiot, people in other countries starve in concentration camps and can’t speak out against the government. Western countries look great compared to other places. Power and freedom mean everything to me. The more Eastern countries just don’t believe in the first part. Most democratic governments in Asia have heavy western influences in the government. We are in world that competes with each other. The west must focus on advancement to stop tyranny from taking over.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes it can. I just did.

No, you didn't. You just made a statement.

It's called "a test". And bad stuff happening doesn't mean someone's indifferent.

How is sudden infant death syndrome a test?

Allahu A'lam.

And yes, if you watch passively as people suffer, you are indifferent.

What if you help them?

You are disturbed by what is clearly a joke?

It's a fucked up joke and UMN is clearly and politely asking you to not do it as am I. I imagine Hakons and our fellow religious posters here feel the same and don't find it funny, so let's not be *ssholes and continue that kind of behavior.

^This

I miss the facepalm emoji.

Making a lewd joke about Jesus doesn't mean you intend disrespect towards Christians. Do the communist making "AHHH Marx & Engels so kawaii".

Idk why [NS censored word here]'s comparison of nonreligious characters to religious characters like that makes a point.

Here are the ideologies that I think represents the RWDT:


Neo-reactionary conservatism

Yup

Traditionalism

Yup

Neo-Mercantilism

Don't really know what that is but I think I've only seen 1.

Irredentism

Never seen that. Except maybe from me.

Absolutism

Yup

Theocracy (to some extent)

Khilaafah Zindabad!!!

Nationalism

Yup

Reactionary modernism

Idk what that is

Aristocracy

Yup

I was catholic once. No longer. Praise Dharma/God.

Abrahamites are doing a fine job ensuring that people stay emotionally repressed, docile, submissive and afraid all the time. Not something we have the greatest need of in the West today - I fear.

Hello, followed of an Abhramic religion speaking. I don't feel repressed nor afraid. Except of Jahannam, that place is scary

So for all it matters.. “blaspheme” as much as you want. I feel hatred for YHWH too... for good reasons. I guess he could be described something akin to the Devil. Why not outright ban Christianity and Islam when we’re at it? It’d be the greatest “human rights” achievement of the century. I feel absolutely no reason to show any respect for a demonic entity that has enslaved my people and continues to create unnecessary suffering and death for each day that passes.. everywhere on the planet. Stop being afraid of the enslaver demon YHWH. Especially you guys. The west needs men who are not submissive, with a proper spine. Any sort of ethnic-cultural benefit provided by Christianity has since long been overshadowed by its malignant role in laying the ground work for all the goofy modern ideologies and their unrealistic antropocentric world-view.

I don't understand how you can praise God SWT yet disparage him at the same time

Guilds (in the sense of a Medieval guild ie a monopoly for fixing prices, controlling supply and output, ensuring the wellbeing of its members, and establishing standards) - worthwhile idea, or literally Hitler?

I read guilds and thought "oooo, Elsword/movie-style guilds, band of friends fighting for glory and all that cool jazz", then read the rest. Now I feel sad

a Muslim can revere 天 as a universal principle.

I doubt this a lot. What's "天" mean?

That’s not really how it works, mate.

Explain why the most powerful countries in the world don’t worship multiple weird looking things as gods. India is the only strong country that does that, but America, Russia, and China are ahead of them. They are more successful despite problems they face. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, atheism, and agnosticism are infinitely better than some dated cult in the east. Buddhism and the like are shi* compared to modern religion. They are not the source of democracy and science.

Wdym by "modern religion"? Because East Asian religions are far better to me than some new age stuff

Ignoring the fact that a religion isn’t the source of either democracy or science, there was this wonderful thing called imperialism and colonialism that wiped out a lot of other religions. Perhaps you’v heard of it?

And even at home in Europe and the Middle East local Pagan faiths disappeared specifically because they were conquered by Abrahamics.

Gang gang!

And western style business dress and ROTC uniforms, not silly Chinese court dress.

Traditional Eastern Dress > Traditional Wsstern Dress

I mean, I agree with you that religion and the past has an influence on today, I’m Spanish, after all. We say “Jesús” after someone sneezes, ffs

Hmph, y'all should be saying "يَرْحَمُكُمُ الله".

A certain religion is not the builder of nation though.

No, but religious movements have acted internationally. Christians and Muslims have spread their beliefs and writings around in the world as a group.

Takbir!

When your 2500 year old religion has developed numerous philosophical theories ranging from atomism to deconstructionism, but it's all undone because someone in the 21st century essentially learned to say “No u.”

"No u" is the pinnacle of argumentation, Rei.

That's who Hanafuridake is? Huh, I shoulda known.

Is there something you're forgetting about? It starts with F and rhymes with "thirst amendment."

First Amendment has Western bias and is bad.

Eh, I wouldn't call it bad but it needs some adjustments.

So, Democracy predates Christianity, gunpowder isn’t a western invention, the Americas were sparsely populated and had a major disadvantage in the lack of large animals to tame, and diseases that come with them, etc. That is why Christianity spread so far-technology and disease.
But. Very few of those things that you tried to take credit for were done not because they were Christian, which is where you seem to hit a stumbling block.

I never said Christianity was the only good religion. Judaism and Islam still exist. And while China may have been ahead for a bit, but outdated beliefs pulled them behind of the West. The Jews achieved a lot considering there were many more who didn’t agree with them at all.

From a secular perspective those e Abrahamic religions are outdated as well. They're from old times as well.

See, all things eastern are bad


Tea = bad

art = bad

gunpowder = bad

culture = bad

Actually, the West stole all of those so it belongs to us now. And, Russia is a great weapons manufacturer, bu they are not Confucianist. The West has been improving on these and ancient China didn’t know the potential of their inventions.

Um, wasn't ancient China using bombs/firecrackers?

Because Confucianism isn't a religion in the sense that most other religions are, the same way that Marxism or liberalism aren't. One doesn't have to believe in a Supreme Being or the existence of the supernatural. The main unifying features of Confucianism are a belief in the moral nature of man, the need for rites and music for social harmony, and the cultivation of virtue. It's a bit more complicated than that, but it's hard to elaborate in one paragraph.

Confucianism very much IS a religion, it's just a very political religion, and is in no way unique in that regard. Yes, you can take the politics out of the religion, but you can also do the same with Abrahamic religions as well.

Not with Al-Islam you can't.

I am a Christian, but I must say that this is a pretty bad argument for Christianity. Of course, I appreciate the positive contributions that Christianity has made to civilization, but I do not support contemporary Western society's devotion to the false idols of democracy, scientism, and pursuit of technological progress at all costs. Sure, the West may have conquering the world, but might does not make right and material prosperity is not the only good. Modern Western society is so cold, materialistic, and degenerate; if anything, to suggest Christianity is responsible for the mess we are in today is an argument against Christianity, not one in its favor.

Western society is great compared to the rest of the world.

That's an opinion I don't really agree with.

While Trump acts like a complete idiot, people in other countries starve in concentration camps and can’t speak out against the government.

Depends on which countries you're talking about.

Western countries look great compared to other places.

Yeah no. The Iraqi cities at night look pretty beautiful actually.

Power and freedom mean everything to me.

Why? Especially the power part.

The more Eastern countries just don’t believe in the Eastern part. Most democratic governments in Asia have heavy western influences in the government.

Ew.

We are in world that competes with each other. The west must focus on advancement to stop tyranny from taking over.

I'm pretty sure tyranny isn't in the west.

[Conserative Morality]

On Galactic Liberal Democracy's note about worshipping weird looking things as gods, whilst they're not worshipped as gods per se I would like to point out that Christians revere angels that look like this. There's a reason angels in the Bible generally begin introducing themselves to humans by saying "be not afraid."

Relevant

[Conserative Morality]

Christianity is the foundation of traditional liberalism and the enlightenment, which our society is based on. This is actually part of a wider issue in which enlightenment values began undermining their own foundation. Nietzsche and Dostoevsky both commented on this.

Yes, but that’s not what I am arguing against. The original claim was that the achievements of the West invalidate every other non-Abrahamic religion. That is where we disagreed.

The achievements of the West invalidate Abrahamic religions.

ROMA INVICTA

[Luminesa]

I am a Christian, but I must say that this is a pretty bad argument for Christianity. Of course, I appreciate the positive contributions that Christianity has made to civilization, but I do not support contemporary Western society's devotion to the false idols of democracy, scientism, and pursuit of technological progress at all costs. Sure, the West may have conquering the world, but might does not make right and material prosperity is not the only good. Modern Western society is so cold, materialistic, and degenerate; if anything, to suggest Christianity is responsible for the mess we are in today is an argument against Christianity, not one in its favor.

Democracy and the scientific method are positive things, which Christianity should feel lucky to be associated with, and the "mess" we're in today is the greatest time and place for living in the known universe, at least in terms of material prosperity. But I think we're also in a pretty good place morally compared to most of history. The average human in the first world is more tolerant, more intelligent and less violent than earlier in our history, far as I can tell.

> “Christianity should feel lucky to be here!”
> When the modern scientific method was developed by an Anglican, and supported by multiple Christian scientists both Protestant and Catholic.
> When the ancient scientific method would not have survived to be elaborated on were it not for the Christian monks who preserved Classical lit during the Dark Ages.
...

[Hakons]

As someone who's known several transgender people on this site, there was a suicide scare with at least three (one actively tried to kill herself and was rescued by the police). I can deal with someone making a joke about my religion, it's not going to hurt anything. But considering a lot of trans posters here suffer from unaccepting homes and being among the most targeted demographics for violence and mockery, it's a bit bloody understandable why the mods would consider misgendering a form of trolling here, while making jokes about religion isn't. If you think West Vale Confederacy is trolling or harassing anyone, report him to the mods.

I usually try my best not to express strong emotions on forums, but don't even pretend you're in the same category here because someone made a stupid joke. It's disrespectful and makes the rest of us religious posters look ridiculous.

... And now I'm upset with myself for trying to show a modicum of respect to the feelings of the Christians in regards to WVC's joke. The persecution complex came out in full force :V

Once again, saying "hey guys, maybe we can be nicer towards religious people" isn't saying "oh the agony, the persecution!" If the most lukewarm sentiments of asking for better behavior is instantly considered PERSECUTION COMPLEX HAHA, you're frankly proving my point in how religious people are treated here, especially considering this has been the common response.

[United Muscovite Nations]

An omniscient God doesn't have to know the future, merely be able to observe eternity unfold.

Yeah, and scripturally speaking that's not the case with the God we know.

Are you sure, because Augustine, Anselm, and Aquinas said that, all extremely influential Catholic theologians, said that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

An omniscient God doesn't have to know the future, merely be able to observe eternity unfold.

Then any immortal being is omniscient. I think you need a different word.

Not all immortal beings observe eternity, they observe their moment in time for eternity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I miss the facepalm emoji.

Making a lewd joke about Jesus doesn't mean you intend disrespect towards Christians. Do the communist making "AHHH Marx & Engels so kawaii" and shit like that want to disrespect all communists? No they don't. In fact, jokes such as WVC's were not unheard of in Christian youth groups I've been a part of.

Communists don't believe that Marx and Engels are the Lord of all creation who came into the world to redeem all of existence from the stain of sin, do they? Did I miss some of their collected works?

[Torrocca]

... And now I'm upset with myself for trying to show a modicum of respect to the feelings of the Christians in regards to WVC's joke. The persecution complex came out in full force :V

Once again, saying "hey guys, maybe we can be nicer towards religious people" isn't saying "oh the agony, the persecution!" If the most lukewarm sentiments of asking for better behavior is instantly considered PERSECUTION COMPLEX HAHA, you're frankly proving my point in how religious people are treated here, especially considering this has been the common response.

So how come Hanafuridake isn't persecuted for their Buddhist beliefs, if it's of your opinion that the religious are oh-so persecuted here?

[Luminesa]

I find it hard to believe that you really can't see why Christians are offended by sexual jokes involving the person we believe to be God incarnate and our saviour. Even if you can't see it, though, it would still be the courteous thing to do not to offend our beliefs unnecessarily and without making any salient point. Again, it would be entirely different if WVC had been making a critical argument about Christianity and we had objected to that. I don't want to stymie discussion or criticism of religion on this forum.

I don't know what to tell you. I simply can't imagine getting offended by someone making lewd jokes about someone or something I like. Even when I was a Christian, that joke wouldn't have bothered me, the closest thing I can think of being bothered by is when I was peeved when one of my atheist friends told the then Christian me that God impregnated Mary by having sex with her. But I was only peeved by that because I thought he was being serious.

It's not just "something we like". You probably get annoyed by the "checkmate atheists" meme, because your beliefs are a part of who you are. I get annoyed at jokes that make Jesus to be some sort of dumb, sexual figure because Jesus is not just something I like. Jesus, and worshipping Jesus, is a part of my identity. If I can see why you might be offended at a joke, and can respect your own boundaries, you can be respectful to the boundaries of others.

[Luminesa]

Once again, saying "hey guys, maybe we can be nicer towards religious people" isn't saying "oh the agony, the persecution!" If the most lukewarm sentiments of asking for better behavior is instantly considered PERSECUTION COMPLEX HAHA, you're frankly proving my point in how religious people are treated here, especially considering this has been the common response.

So how come Hanafuridake isn't persecuted for their Buddhist beliefs, if it's of your opinion that the religious are oh-so persecuted here?

I mean you haven't been very respectful toward Hana either. And saying, "Oh I tried to show all of you respect!" when you've talked about how nuns in the Spanish Civil War deserved to be shot doesn't hold much weight. Nobody asked you to proclaim how much you try to respect other cultures.

[Fahran]

So how come Hanafuridake isn't persecuted for their Buddhist beliefs, if it's of your opinion that the religious are oh-so persecuted here?

Well, there was a rather lewd remark made about Amaterasu-no-mikoto earlier, but, as a rule, it's going to be a lot harder for a western audience to mock and demean deities and traditions with which they possess minimal familiarity. I want to say that the common mockery of the Buddha that I hear is about the more full-bodied statuettes you sometimes see as a representation of bliss - I believe that's the right word. Beyond that, I normally don't have much of an issue with jokes. But I tend to moderate myself when I know it won't be seen as funny by others, will upset someone, or is trite and unoriginal.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It would do NSG well to read up on netiquette.

[The South Falls]

It would do NSG well to read up on netiquette.

I'll doxx you you fucking bitchslut turbanhead!

real men go without the s

[United Muscovite Nations]

It would do NSG well to read up on netiquette.

I'll doxx you you fucking bitchslut turbanhead!

real men go without the s

I feel like I'm missing some joke.

[Fahran]

I feel like I'm missing some joke.

I think the joke is that NS is rather bad at netiquette at times.

[The South Falls]

Making a lewd joke about Jesus doesn't mean you intend disrespect towards Christians. Do the communist making "AHHH Marx & Engels so kawaii" and shit like that want to disrespect all communists? No they don't. In fact, jokes such as WVC's were not unheard of in Christian youth groups I've been a part of.

Communists don't believe that Marx and Engels are the Lord of all creation who came into the world to redeem all of existence from the stain of sin, do they? Did I miss some of their collected works?

Yea, you missed the commie bible. It's on Amazon for $THELIBERATIONOFTHEWORKERS. Real cheap.

I'll doxx you you fucking bitchslut turbanhead!

real men go without the s

I feel like I'm missing some joke.

It's what neckbeard types say when they are beaten in debate.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It would do NSG well to read up on netiquette.

I'll doxx you you fuc*ing b*tchs*ut turbanhead!

real men go without the s

Kids insert /s
Men don't insert /s
Legends insert /s'n't