Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Unironically corporatism.

In the event of radical climate change or a Second Great Depression, the state would turn to corporatism since the latter teaches that corporations should be working for the benefit of the state and the people, not just for profit.

Corporatism generally entails empty platitudes and mediocrity if not outright poverty.

As opposed to literally every other system ever tried?

It’s not perfect, but it ain’t discardable either.

[Darussalam]

lAs opposed to literally every other system ever tried?

It’s not perfect, but it ain’t discardable either.

This sort of pathetic excuse has been used for "every other system ever tried" too so it's not exactly anything more than meaningless semantics either.

Anyway, my claim is not that corporatism is worse than perfect idealized city on a hill, but that corporatism is worse than present-day neoliberal capitalism. This is trivially obvious upon observation of countries where labor unions utilized the government to hold national wage in hostage and block technological advances (such as India, for example). Even later on Franco thought corporatism sucked and tried to reform with with technocrats.

It's the finest example of crypto-leftism, too.

[Herskerstad]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

[Conserative Morality]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

idk man, moderation here has always been hit or miss. There's a long line of fuckups and quiet reversals through the years. Still, if this is your decision, I wish you the best of luck. You were a good egg and I enjoyed your company.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

I wish you luck in your endeavors. See ya, space cowboy.

[Mushet]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

Quite a sendoff speech, good luck to you.

[Fahran]

Cut, though my preference would have been to respond to the post in full.

You are, now as ever, visceral and articulate and, truthfully, I can feel a lump forming in my throat. I'm not good at saying good bye, au revoir, or shalom chaver. My cheeks always get too wet. My words always fail me. My heart always seems to stop. I've mentioned once or twice that change scares me, often as a tongue-in-cheek reference to my political and social beliefs. But, here, I'll confess that I'm worried about what will come when you and so many others have gone. I'm saddened that a community and people I respected and had a fondness for seem to be vanishing as all good things must do in the end. I hope that, even in the twilight, some of the light y'all kindled here might reach us, lighten our hearts, and deepen our contemplation. I hope that, even in the twilight, our light shines more brightly for having touched, even in passing, your light. I pray that those of who remain can be worthy of your hopes, your aspirations, and the time you invested here. My feet are slipping for a foothold on a rocky outcrop just now and my voice is weaker than it has been for awhile, but I pray that G-d hears the prayers I say for both you and us in the coming weeks and that the spirit remains within you and that you remain as steadfast, honorable, and striving as ever you were here. So long, until we meet again, Herk.

[Luminesa]

Farewell Herk. A man among memes, our Calvinist overlord, maker of threads with secret memes, one of the first friends I made on NS. Debater and Clapback-er Supreme. The hero nobody asked for, but here he came in, saying we were all depraved, and for some reason we kinda kept him around. He ended-up taking over our threads, calling himself Cromwell, banning Christmas, and giving our RWDTs weird titles. Winning debates over degeneracy and over who should be the mascot of RWDT, but most of all, being unable to hide his love of traps. :^))))

Most of all, a reminder that we often do indeed find friends in the strangest places, among some of the strangest and most interesting people. So once again, farewell my dude.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

My apologies, but I am afraid that I'm not clever and eloquent enough to properly express how I feel, but I hope that a simple "Farewell." will nevertheless suffice, mate.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

وَ عَلَيْكُم السَّلام وَ رَحْمَةُ اللَّهِ وَ بَرَكاتُهُ
Wa'Alaikum Assalaam wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
And may the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah SWT be upon you.

[Painisia]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

Au revoir

[Bienenhalde]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Why not both?

[Diopolis]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

Felicem Deus tibi det.
I will miss you, the reasonable man on RWDT. Although I will be signing off for lent, as usual, I haven't made up my mind about whether to return afterwords.

[Joohan]

What do yall think of the minimum wage in the US?

My state, Illinois, just approved a 15.00 an hour minimum wage which will take full effect by 2025. When it does come into full effect, it will give Illinois ( a state which is already in dire straits over a number of issues ) the highest minimum wage of any state in the nation.

I am all for wealth redistribution from the super rich elites - but this is going about it all the wrong way. Small businesses are the ones who get choked by a high minimum wage, not the big businesses which can afford them. I think California ( for once ) actual has ( sorta ) the right idea about the minimum wage.

The minimum wage for employers with 25 or less employees is 11.00$, while employers with 26 or more have to pay 12.00$. That's a bit high on the smaller end for my tastes - but I think it has the right idea. Keep a low minimum wage for small employers, and maintain a high minimum wage for larger employers - in order to even the competition between the two, and to help further wealth redistribution.

[Confederate States of German America]

So, you may or may not have noticed that I've not exactly been posting for quite some time, and I am saddened to announce that I've come to the conclusion that it would be for the greater good to not do so anymore.

The reason for such is of course more than one incident and part of a decline that most people will be familiar with, I think the last straw for me was a topic that made me visibly ill over what can only generously be described as artistic expression which among other things just caused me to shelf my posting activities and while I intend not to harp on such, or the moderation standards which I've for a prolonged time been a critic of as it becomes rather petty, I felt ultimately that the standards in regards to the thread, growing in regards to the standards of the site, is because of said avalanche becoming increasingly monitored. It is why the grace of some users seemingly run endless, whereas others whom's context is entirely maligned can get a ban. Nevertheless, in policing humor through the ever subjectively, one way-utilised standard of 'what a normal person would see it as' , I feel that the only thing accomplished was an increase in cynicism. Making bantz the first victim, and surely enough reason the next. I do not intend to stick around to find out what victim is to come.

It's because of such that of course, I cannot endeavour making more startup threads for this group. Most people I've developed friendships with have me on some manner of IM and I shall certainly be throwing the occasional banter in that direction. For those that remain, please take good care of the thread as doubtlessly some good can be achieved. And keep in mind that friendships are sometimes made through the most extraordinary of circumstances. The true magic of banter has been the friends that were made through two people of entirely opposing views can find common ground by saying the salacious, the scandalous and the unthinkable not about the ones on the other side, but of oneself and that which one loves. The ability and willingness to not merely take a jest, but to participate in it, thus finding friendships were others would merely find enemies. Contrasted with the standard of keeping everything sacred, which in turn makes nothing sacred, except the extra-sacred cows that comes from an ideological bent it is infinitely superior and should never be abandoned, no matter how sweet the siren songs of perpetual offence, ideological dogmatism and echo chambers may ring, or how big a stick it will be enforced with.

If I could end it on any singular note, it would be the following. Regardless of the path you have thread, regardless of if your dreams and desires have manifested into flourishing monuments or crumbling ruins. Regardless if you have thread on sinless marble or been the cause of a deluge of depravity. Regardless if you bring bliss when you enter, or when you leave a room. Regardless if you are at perfect peace, or without any footing at all. Regardless if your trials have made you whole or broken you. Regardless if we were friends or foes. Regardless if you are my opposite or my equal, I hope you find the peace, salvation, and the goodness of Christ. And that shall be all. May God bless each and every one of you, and farewell.

I thought we had you on the Discord but it appears we don't and so I can't say this via PM, but have a good one partner and stay safe.

[Confederate States of German America]

What do yall think of the minimum wage in the US?

My state, Illinois, just approved a 15.00 an hour minimum wage which will take full effect by 2025. When it does come into full effect, it will give Illinois ( a state which is already in dire straits over a number of issues ) the highest minimum wage of any state in the nation.

I am all for wealth redistribution from the super rich elites - but this is going about it all the wrong way. Small businesses are the ones who get choked by a high minimum wage, not the big businesses which can afford them. I think California ( for once ) actual has ( sorta ) the right idea about the minimum wage.

The minimum wage for employers with 25 or less employees is 11.00$, while employers with 26 or more have to pay 12.00$. That's a bit high on the smaller end for my tastes - but I think it has the right idea. Keep a low minimum wage for small employers, and maintain a high minimum wage for larger employers - in order to even the competition between the two, and to help further wealth redistribution.

Set a wage standard, which takes into account the relative economic metrics for each region to calculate a viable wage for the individual states. $15 an hour might make sense in California, but it sure doesn't in Mississippi for example. While you're at it, bring back bargaining power and the Unions.

[Koholint-Island]

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.
CONDEMN ANTIFA
We need your approval!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal/council=2

[Saiwania]

Set a wage standard, which takes into account the relative economic metrics for each region to calculate a viable wage for the individual states. $15 an hour might make sense in California, but it sure doesn't in Mississippi for example. While you're at it, bring back bargaining power and the Unions.

There should be no national or state minimum wage, because having one inherently means more unskilled labor not having a job at all. Most developed countries that have no legal minimum wage still have minimum wages set by industry through collective bargaining contracts. The majority of their working populations are unionized.

If people don't want a race to the bottom on wages but still want lower unemployment, following the Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway or Switzerland models, seems to be the way to do it.

[Novus America]

What do yall think of the minimum wage in the US?

My state, Illinois, just approved a 15.00 an hour minimum wage which will take full effect by 2025. When it does come into full effect, it will give Illinois ( a state which is already in dire straits over a number of issues ) the highest minimum wage of any state in the nation.

I am all for wealth redistribution from the super rich elites - but this is going about it all the wrong way. Small businesses are the ones who get choked by a high minimum wage, not the big businesses which can afford them. I think California ( for once ) actual has ( sorta ) the right idea about the minimum wage.

The minimum wage for employers with 25 or less employees is 11.00$, while employers with 26 or more have to pay 12.00$. That's a bit high on the smaller end for my tastes - but I think it has the right idea. Keep a low minimum wage for small employers, and maintain a high minimum wage for larger employers - in order to even the competition between the two, and to help further wealth redistribution.

The problem is legislatures, like Illinois just pull some nice sounding round number out of their asses.
Without any data to support it.

The minimum wage is a price floor, set the floor much below the equilibrium price,you get little effect. Set the floor above the equilibrium price, you get a shortage of demand, unemployment in the case of the minimum wage.

So we only have to determine the equilibrium wage.
Which empirical studies have shown is 45% to 50% of the median wage.
A single national minimum wage for the US is stupid, because the median wage San Francisco is completely different than the median wage in Puerto Rico.
So one size fits all fits none.

So if you are going to do a minimum wage, set it to 45 to 50% of the median wage.
But that would require our legislators to actually have a clue about the things they deal with.

It is actually quite simple, really.

[Loben]

What do yall think of the minimum wage in the US?

My state, Illinois, just approved a 15.00 an hour minimum wage which will take full effect by 2025. When it does come into full effect, it will give Illinois ( a state which is already in dire straits over a number of issues ) the highest minimum wage of any state in the nation.

I am all for wealth redistribution from the super rich elites - but this is going about it all the wrong way. Small businesses are the ones who get choked by a high minimum wage, not the big businesses which can afford them. I think California ( for once ) actual has ( sorta ) the right idea about the minimum wage.

The minimum wage for employers with 25 or less employees is 11.00$, while employers with 26 or more have to pay 12.00$. That's a bit high on the smaller end for my tastes - but I think it has the right idea. Keep a low minimum wage for small employers, and maintain a high minimum wage for larger employers - in order to even the competition between the two, and to help further
wealth redistribution.

How the hell does a 15 dollar minimum wage help anyone? Your taxes go up and chances are employers are going to start laying off underperforming workers.

[Sirocca]

What do yall think of the minimum wage in the US?

My state, Illinois, just approved a 15.00 an hour minimum wage which will take full effect by 2025. When it does come into full effect, it will give Illinois ( a state which is already in dire straits over a number of issues ) the highest minimum wage of any state in the nation.

I am all for wealth redistribution from the super rich elites - but this is going about it all the wrong way. Small businesses are the ones who get choked by a high minimum wage, not the big businesses which can afford them. I think California ( for once ) actual has ( sorta ) the right idea about the minimum wage.

The minimum wage for employers with 25 or less employees is 11.00$, while employers with 26 or more have to pay 12.00$. That's a bit high on the smaller end for my tastes - but I think it has the right idea. Keep a low minimum wage for small employers, and maintain a high minimum wage for larger employers - in order to even the competition between the two, and to help further
wealth redistribution.

How the hell does a 15 dollar minimum wage help anyone? Your taxes go up and chances are employers are going to start laying off underperforming workers.

It's not a very great idea anyway.

My dad is also a contractor.

[Lanoraie II]

How the hell does a 15 dollar minimum wage help anyone? Your taxes go up and chances are employers are going to start laying off underperforming workers.

It's not a very great idea anyway.

My dad is also a contractor.

Changing for inflation, possibly. I read somewhere (don't ask me for a source right now) that 100 dollars in 2000 is 175 dollars in 2019. Almost double. And yet minimum wage hasn't changed much for anyone.

[Volkari]

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Nah. If we don't get our asses in gear there'll be suffering, no doubt, but not regression. We already have everything that's needed to run a green economy (here defined as an economy with long-term viability) with more or less the same capacities as our present one - we just choose not to use them because other things are so much more cheap and convenient.

It sounds like someone's in the need of some clean coal.

[Volkari]

I do not believe they are.
Only in certain prisons.
Usually among those incarcerated for life is this likely a major problem.
It is very hard to commit a crime in prison and get away with it due to the constant surveillance, and if you do you are going to stay longer.

Cameras have blind spots, overcrowding makes it hard to establish accountability, prisoners come up with newer ways to sneak items into prison without being caught, there are a lot of factors you aren't taking into account.

[The Liberated Territories]

>MFW people think Hitlerite Nazis were left-wing while the ACTUAL left-wing Nazis (i.e. Strasserists) got purged by them

How do people claim Naziism was left wing when it was very demonstrably and aggressively anti-communist? Are people really just getting hung up on the "Socialist" part of "National Socialist"?

You can be left wing and anti communist