Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Western Vale Confederacy]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Unironically corporatism.

In the event of radical climate change or a Second Great Depression, the state would turn to corporatism since the latter teaches that corporations should be working for the benefit of the state and the people, not just for profit.

[Valrifell]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Unironically corporatism.

You can't fool me, that's just an even more stratified version of Capitalism.

[Painisia]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Unironically corporatism.

In the event of radical climate change or a Second Great Depression, the state would turn to corporatism since the latter teaches that corporations should be working for the benefit of the state and the people, not just for profit.

Or maybe a decentralized eco-distributist state?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Unironically corporatism.

In the event of radical climate change or a Second Great Depression, the state would turn to corporatism since the latter teaches that corporations should be working for the benefit of the state and the people, not just for profit.

Or maybe a decentralized eco-distributist state?

Why decentralized, though?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

P R I M I T I V I S M

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Unironically corporatism.

You can't fool me, that's just an even more stratified version of Capitalism.

Please forgive me if I seem impolite, but are you sure?

The definition of Corporatism: A political system in which society is organized into collective interest groups or "bodies" (In Latin, this term is “corpora”, hence “corporatism”) which are subservient to the state and act as organs of political representation.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

P R I M I T I V I S M

Also, I don’t wish to be rude, but Primitivism is a stale meme, mate.

[United Muscovite Nations]

P R I M I T I V I S M

Also, I don’t wish to be rude, but Primitivism is a stale meme, mate.

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

[Nor Portland]

Also, I don’t wish to be rude, but Primitivism is a stale meme, mate.

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Perhaps in some parts of the world, I'm still betting on space exploration

[Dumb Ideologies]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

A corporatist state, albeit one that isn’t fascist, would be ideal in such a situation. An authoritarian corporatist technocratic republic, perhaps?

Loosely-confederated regional autarkic corporatist blocs, please.

[Novus America]

Also, I don’t wish to be rude, but Primitivism is a stale meme, mate.

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Hardly.
The solar system has more than enough resources.
Our current issues are poor use, and limited access.
Not lack of resources.

Besides the coming demographic collapse will reduce demand anyways.

Also you do realize that a primative economy would require killing or would kill most of humanity, yes?

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Hardly.
The solar system has more than enough resources.
Our current issues are poor use, and limited access.
Not lack of resources.

Besides the coming demographic collapse will reduce demand anyways.

Also you do realize that a primative economy would require killing or would kill most of humanity, yes?

Space mining is not practical in any large amount.

I said it was inevitable, not necessarily desirable in the current situation.

[Novus America]

Hardly.
The solar system has more than enough resources.
Our current issues are poor use, and limited access.
Not lack of resources.

Besides the coming demographic collapse will reduce demand anyways.

Also you do realize that a primative economy would require killing or would kill most of humanity, yes?

Space mining is not practical in any large amount.

I said it was inevitable, not necessarily desirable in the current situation.

Not yet pratical. Point remains collapse can be avoided. Whether or not it will be avoided, or only avoided in some places is another matter.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Space mining is not practical in any large amount.

I said it was inevitable, not necessarily desirable in the current situation.

Not yet pratical. Point remains collapse can be avoided. Whether or not it will be avoided, or only avoided in some places is another matter.

We'd basically have to make it practical in like 50 years, and considering we haven't made much progress on it in the last 50, I don't think we'll make much more. Moreover, climate change will render large parts of the planet uninhabitable during the summers, which will further strain the global economy.

[Conserative Morality]

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Nah. If we don't get our asses in gear there'll be suffering, no doubt, but not regression. We already have everything that's needed to run a green economy (here defined as an economy with long-term viability) with more or less the same capacities as our present one - we just choose not to use them because other things are so much more cheap and convenient.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's pretty much inevitable. Maybe not hunter-gathering, but some form of more primitive economy is inevitable due to resource depletion.

Nah. If we don't get our asses in gear there'll be suffering, no doubt, but not regression. We already have everything that's needed to run a green economy (here defined as an economy with long-term viability) with more or less the same capacities as our present one - we just choose not to use them because other things are so much more cheap and convenient.

I think if we made the transition in our electric grid and mass transit within a decade or fifteen years, we'd buy enough time for developments in other ways as far as climate change, but we need to learn to restrain our consumerism and to recycle if we're going to survive the crunch with non-energy resources. Things like copper are already having huge price increases because it's getting harder to mine and not enough is being recycled. I'm worried we'll see something more like an economy where the rich live in post-industrial leisure with automation and the rest of the population is trying to eke out a living in other ways.

[Conserative Morality]

I think if we made the transition in our electric grid and mass transit within a decade or fifteen years, we'd buy enough time for developments in other ways as far as climate change, but we need to learn to restrain our consumerism and to recycle if we're going to survive the crunch with non-energy resources. Things like copper are already having huge price increases because it's getting harder to mine and not enough is being recycled. I'm worried we'll see something more like an economy where the rich live in post-industrial leisure with automation and the rest of the population is trying to eke out a living in other ways.

I would say that at the end of the day, bullets are cheaper than suffering. Without anesthesia, modern life would be unbearable. I doubt we'd end up in a society like that. I'd think of totalitarian societies rising up before that, tbh.

I think we'll see a lot of recycling efforts put forth in the future, including uncapping old landfills and collecting sea waste, but the primary effect there, I think, will be an increase in costs of some things, a decrease of use of plastics in others, and a gutting of the largely superfluous service industry to provide labor for these tasks. Which, tbh, might be a net gain when you think about it.

My own state is thinking about 50% renewables by 2030, and we already have 44% nuclear.

We could have had 88% if it wasn't for protectionist fucks in the last administration. "National security, hurr" THANKS OBAMA

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think if we made the transition in our electric grid and mass transit within a decade or fifteen years, we'd buy enough time for developments in other ways as far as climate change, but we need to learn to restrain our consumerism and to recycle if we're going to survive the crunch with non-energy resources. Things like copper are already having huge price increases because it's getting harder to mine and not enough is being recycled. I'm worried we'll see something more like an economy where the rich live in post-industrial leisure with automation and the rest of the population is trying to eke out a living in other ways.

I would say that at the end of the day, bullets are cheaper than suffering. Without anesthesia, modern life would be unbearable. I doubt we'd end up in a society like that. I'd think of totalitarian societies rising up before that, tbh.

I think we'll see a lot of recycling efforts put forth in the future, including uncapping old landfills and collecting sea waste, but the primary effect there, I think, will be an increase in costs of some things, a decrease of use of plastics in others, and a gutting of the largely superfluous service industry to provide labor for these tasks. Which, tbh, might be a net gain when you think about it.

It could be, but I'm pessimistic and think that the greed of corporations who need to continue to drive up consumption will prevent any large-scale effort until it's too late to save many millions of people, particularly in the tropics and the developing world.

[Conserative Morality]

Dammit, now I'm pissed again. IT WAS ALL SET UP

WE HAD INVESTORS

WE WERE READY TO DOUBLE OUR OUTPUT

"No, they're dirty Euros and that's not safe."

AARRRRRGHHHHH

[United Muscovite Nations]

Dammit, now I'm pissed again. IT WAS ALL SET UP

WE HAD INVESTORS

WE WERE READY TO DOUBLE OUR OUTPUT

"No, they're dirty Euros and that's not safe."

AARRRRRGHHHHH

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[Conserative Morality]

Dammit, now I'm pissed again. IT WAS ALL SET UP

WE HAD INVESTORS

WE WERE READY TO DOUBLE OUR OUTPUT

"No, they're dirty Euros and that's not safe."

AARRRRRGHHHHH

??????

In reference to the last part of my post.

My own state is thinking about 50% renewables by 2030, and we already have 44% nuclear.

We could have had 88% if it wasn't for protectionist fucks in the last administration. "National security, hurr" THANKS OBAMA

[United Muscovite Nations]

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In reference to the last part of my post.

My own state is thinking about 50% renewables by 2030, and we already have 44% nuclear.

We could have had 88% if it wasn't for protectionist fucks in the last administration. "National security, hurr" THANKS OBAMA

Oh, I didn't see the edit. We could have a lot of nuclear if we weren't scared of fucking it up. And you get places in Cali and they should invest in like putting solar panels on every house.

[Kowani]

In reference to the last part of my post.

Oh, I didn't see the edit. We could have a lot of nuclear if we weren't scared of fucking it up. And you get places in Cali and they should invest in like putting solar panels on every house.

I blame Greenpeace, Chernobyl, Fukushima, and 3-Mile Island.

[Fahran]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Capitalism, on the whole, isn't unsustainable due to climate change or inequality.

[Darussalam]

If capitalism will be deemed unsustainable as a result of the climate change and widespread inequality, what is going to fill the vacuum then? A Neo-Marxist revolution? A fascist corporatist state or a radical ecologist state?

Unironically corporatism.

In the event of radical climate change or a Second Great Depression, the state would turn to corporatism since the latter teaches that corporations should be working for the benefit of the state and the people, not just for profit.

Corporatism generally entails empty platitudes and mediocrity if not outright poverty.