Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Hakons]

It is a positive for those who trust in the Lord and have lived their life according to how Christ and God before him wished them to do so in order to inherit the after life. I suppose for the people who reject that the world was an intentional creation and believe in no form of higher power; passing into the void of nothingness is a rather terrifying prospect.
The end of the world would also put this world out of its current misery; at least in the west where, despite adoring every forest, moor, plain and highland of my country I frequently lapse into despondency about the future of my country.

Yes, I’m sure that no religious person has ever said “I don’t want to die.” Nope, not a single one. And while for saints and the elderly it may be different, but most of the human race is somewhat unhappy about the world ending or becoming uninhabitable. Besides, I was pretty sure that much of Christianity was based around “good works.” Which cannot be done if the world ends.

Apparently you haven't interacted with very many religious people. The end of the world as it is now, the Second Coming of Christ, is something all faithful Christians wish to see. I pray for it.

Certainly, some religious people fear death, but that fear is out of weakness. Christ has conquered death, so we need not fear it. Most Christians look forward to Christ's return. The world ending means the world of sin ending. It is not the end for our souls, which will go on for eternity. You may love the world, but its pleasures and wealth are passing. They are only dust. What the world is like wont matter after you die, so why worry about what it's like after the End?

I see you've been around us Catholics too wrong, as a lot of Protestants get a bit angry at the very mention of good works.
Christianity is about Christ, and Christ will bring His justice in the End. I'm sorry if we have misinformed you, but that is what Christianity is about. Christ is why we believe, and Christ is Who we pray to return and bring justice.

[Luminesa]

It is a positive for those who trust in the Lord and have lived their life according to how Christ and God before him wished them to do so in order to inherit the after life. I suppose for the people who reject that the world was an intentional creation and believe in no form of higher power; passing into the void of nothingness is a rather terrifying prospect.
The end of the world would also put this world out of its current misery; at least in the west where, despite adoring every forest, moor, plain and highland of my country I frequently lapse into despondency about the future of my country.

Yes, I’m sure that no religious person has ever said “I don’t want to die.” Nope, not a single one. And while for saints and the elderly it may be different, but most of the human race is somewhat unhappy about the world ending or becoming uninhabitable. Besides, I was pretty sure that much of Christianity was based around “good works.” Which cannot be done if the world ends.

You’re kinda oversimplifying the diversity of the Church on “works”. Protestants will tell you faith is what is needed and you can’t buy your way to Heaven with good works. Catholics and Orthodox will tell you faith is dead without works, and thus needs outward signs of its presence.

[Nea Byzantia]

God's creation is already destroyed for the most part. Huge swathes of the earth have been concreted over, polluted, filled with shit -in some cases literally, torched and irrevocably damaged not to mention the horrendous damage done to the planet by nuclear energy and coal burning. Thousands of species, as a highly conservative estimate have been destroyed by us in acts of extremely foolish orgies of death; and I say this as a hunter myself: the difference being that I believe in responsible and sustainable hunting. And we have also destroyed ourselves. Mostly on a moral level as the sexual revolution unravels levels of depravity shocking to even the likes of the Greeks, Mayans, Egyptians and ancient kingdoms of Northern India, but equally at a physical level where there is an obesity pandemic with children who should be swinging from trees and chasing animals in fields are slumped in front of some interactive device cramming all sorts of sugary and chemical nonsense into their bodies.
The second coming will come when it comes and as far as I can tell it will come with a vengeance and yes it will not be in our power, I was not suggesting so. Merely that faced with the current state of the world, the mass destruction of wide swathes of earth and its scarred landscape and the extirpation of its lecherous and iniquitous inhabitants is not entirely unwelcome.
I am now entirely resigned to such doom and would not be at all surprised to witness Armageddon or whatever people want to call it in my lifetime. Humanity I believe has ventured over the edge of the waterfall, there is nothing left to do apart from live as an example to others in the hope they may learn and be saved. There are several stages of coming to terms with such things, I have finished grieving and now it is time to sit back with a cigar and a dram of laphroaig and point and laugh as humanity flushes itself down a toilet.

We do not want to die, I am 19, I have many happy years of drinking, gallavanting, feasting, shooting, parties and whatnot ahead of me, but I take comfort in knowing that I have hopefully done all the right things to get myself a place in the Kingdom of Heaven if and when I were to die; which I will. Whether that's in some dreadful war before I leave the British Army, whether its dying as an old man in my bed or having a cardiac arrest in the bath and drowning or maybe I'm blown into a squillion chunklets of flesh on the day of Reckoning. Christianity is based on good works.. whilst we are on earth, and indeed we are all largely devoted to such endeavours. But the world WILL at some point end by whatever means and at that point there will be no need for 'good works' as the righteous will be in Heaven and the Heathens and reprobates and swarms of God knows what else will be writhing like worms in Satan's lair.

But what if you are deemed not one of the righteous?

God desires for all of us to turn from our sins (including the heathens and reprobates), and out of Love for what is Right, or Fear/Reverence of His Majesty, lead lives of righteousness. Those who are "not deemed righteous" are those who choose voluntarily, throughout their life, despite warnings and exhortations to righteousness, to continue in their sins. It is those who do not care about what is Right, or Good, but only for what pleases them in the moment. Such people cannot be saved, because such people do not want to be saved. How can God force people who do not want anything to do with Him, to be in His Eternal Presence?

Now, since God is the source of all that is Good, and Right and Enjoyable (in good and proper measure of course), then to separate yourself from God, is to separate yourself from all that is Good and Right and Enjoyable. Thus, you are left with only Pain, Wrong and Evil. That is Hell. And for some, Hell begins in this life. The same goes for Heaven; the closer we draw to God in this life, through righteousness and turning from our sins, then in a sense, Heaven begins in this life as well.

I'm not saying this as though I'm anywhere near the ideal. I have lots to work on, believe me.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

Neither have I so I can't tell you about it, sorry. Does this help?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synarchism

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

It is effectively Falangism, but with Mexican nationalism.

[Northern Davincia]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

[Confederate States of German America]

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

It is effectively Falangism, but with Mexican nationalism.

The Clerical Fascism of the Vichy Regime mixed with Falangism

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Growing people in vats and parental licensing programs, combined with the encouragement of domestic harmony by the state.

I dunno, this was the first solution that came to me.

EDIT: Is this “seizing the means of reproduction” too authoritarian? I apologize if I was rude.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Invest more in couples therapy and family therapy, foster a culture of family loyalty, etc.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

Neither have I so I can't tell you about it, sorry. Does this help?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synarchism

It gives me a bit of a picture, thanks.

I have a random question the right-wingers here or anyone with the answer, what the hell is Synarchism? Every time I do fascist Mexico in HOI4 for shits and giggles it turns into Synarchist Mexico and Synarchist is a term I’ve never encountered before.

It is effectively Falangism, but with Mexican nationalism.

I see, so far right religious nationalism Mexican style?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Stuff that’d probably make you have compromise your supposed pro-freedom beliefs as a minarchist to support.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Invest more in couples therapy and family therapy, foster a culture of family loyalty, etc.

Loyalty to the family is a microcosm of loyalty to the state/loyalty to society. It is good, and should be encouraged for the benefit of all.

EDIT: Faithfulness to one’s partner and respect for one’s elders is psychologically similar to loyalty to the state, and thus the sentiments are all intertwined, y’know?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

How individuals negotiate their divorce or end their marriages should be no business of the state. Let various advocacy groups come up with solutions to the problem and conduct their own outreach.

[Confederate States of German America]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

End No Fault Divorce and change the existing welfare system. Out of wedlock births should not be supported by the state, in essence the return of the "Bastard Laws" on support. Proscriptions on Adultery and other such ails should also be restored. Also, get wages growing again and thus incomes; Tucker Carlson has really hit the nail on the head with that one.

[Northern Davincia]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Stuff that’d probably make you have compromise your supposed pro-freedom beliefs as a minarchist to support.

Such as...?

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

End No Fault Divorce and change the existing welfare system. Out of wedlock births should not be supported by the state, in essence the return of the "Bastard Laws" on support. Proscriptions on Adultery and other such ails should also be restored. Also, get wages growing again and thus incomes; Tucker Carlson has really hit the nail on the head with that one.

I'm all in favor of changing the welfare system.
By burning it to the ground, namely.

[Confederate States of German America]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

How individuals negotiate their divorce or end their marriages should be no business of the state. Let various advocacy groups come up with solutions to the problem and conduct their own outreach.

Except it inevitably ends a concern of the state when said single moms need extensive government aid just to keep their kids fed, and then said kids end up becoming criminals, illiterate, and societal hazards due to promiscuity given their lack of a father figure.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

How individuals negotiate their divorce or end their marriages should be no business of the state. Let various advocacy groups come up with solutions to the problem and conduct their own outreach.

Since marriage is a legal contract it very much has to be the business of the state to arbitrate and settle the disputes.

[Confederate States of German America]

I'm all in favor of changing the welfare system.
By burning it to the ground, namely.

No Fault Divorce meant women could burn their marriages and make bank for it, but when the good times quit thereafter the state had to step in as the new "Daddy".

[Northern Davincia]

A question directed to the RWDT: how do we handle the extremely high divorce rate and the issue of fatherlessness in America?

Invest more in couples therapy and family therapy, foster a culture of family loyalty, etc.

I like the notion of restoring family culture, but modern media and our own stubbornness makes that difficult. How do we accomplish this?

[Northern Davincia]

I'm all in favor of changing the welfare system.
By burning it to the ground, namely.

No Fault Divorce meant women could burn their marriages and make bank for it, but when the good times quit thereafter the state had to step in as the new "Daddy".

Mandatory prenups are a good idea, come to think of it.

[Confederate States of German America]

Invest more in couples therapy and family therapy, foster a culture of family loyalty, etc.

I like the notion of restoring family culture, but modern media and our own stubbornness makes that difficult. How do we accomplish this?

Stubbornness is easily dealt with and stems from culture; TLC doing "Sister Wives" literally increased support for polygamy from like 3-5% to around 15-18%. This was literally one show. Get a grip on the media and you'd be surprised what you can accomplish.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Stuff that’d probably make you have compromise your supposed pro-freedom beliefs as a minarchist to support.

Such as...?

Force people to stay in marriages, force people into marriages, various authoritarian ways to prevent divorce like heavy fines and prison time for leaving a marriage or not allowing yourself to be forced into a marriage. You know, anti-freedom stuff.

[Confederate States of German America]

No Fault Divorce meant women could burn their marriages and make bank for it, but when the good times quit thereafter the state had to step in as the new "Daddy".

Mandatory prenups are a good idea, come to think of it.

Absolutely. A big problem though is that judges are bad to throw them out and, as often gets brought up, disproportionately favor the wife in cases of divorce. Need legislation to correct this favortism.

[Northern Davincia]

I like the notion of restoring family culture, but modern media and our own stubbornness makes that difficult. How do we accomplish this?

Stubbornness is easily dealt with and stems from culture; TLC doing "Sister Wives" literally increased support for polygamy from like 3-5% to around 15-18%. This was literally one show. Get a grip on the media and you'd be surprised what you can accomplish.

TLC is openly trash and I have no clue why people watch it.

Such as...?

Force people to stay in marriages, force people into marriages, various authoritarian ways to prevent divorce like heavy fines and prison time for leaving a marriage or not allowing yourself to be forced into a marriage. You know, anti-freedom stuff.

Yikes.