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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:55 pm

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I think a single bullet to the head would suffice.

But you have to take care of the body after you've killed them.


I think granting someone a burial is the least you can do for humanity's sake.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:56 pm

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The guillotine is the most humane method of execution, but boy is it fucking messy.

I was merely being edgy, but given certain revolutionaries sadistic tendencies when it came to dispatching the "enemy" drowning crowds of people would be one hell of a way to scare people.

I believe that is one of the methods the Infernal Columns of the French Revolutionary government used to pacify the revolts that were emerging from the Vendee.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:57 pm

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Valgora wrote:But you have to take care of the body after you've killed them.


I think granting someone a burial is the least you can do for humanity's sake.

But that makes it easier for their remains to be found.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:02 pm

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I think granting someone a burial is the least you can do for humanity's sake.

But that makes it easier for their remains to be found.


I thought we were discussing executions, not playing devils advocate for the mafia.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:04 pm

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Valgora wrote:But that makes it easier for their remains to be found.


I thought we were discussing executions, not playing devils advocate for the mafia.

I figured we're talking about mafia-style executions when the suggestion "tie some weights to them and throw them in a lake" was made.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:05 pm

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I think a single bullet to the head would suffice.

But you have to take care of the body after you've killed them.

Burn it until it's ash and spread it around all over the place, if there's bones left just bury them deep in the wilderness in a safe
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:08 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:
Valgora wrote:But you have to take care of the body after you've killed them.

Burn it until it's ash and spread it around all over the place, if there's bones left just bury them deep in the wilderness in a safe

Be better to just bury the bones deep in the woods, spread out of course.
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:18 pm

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Kowani wrote:Pssh. Then we take ‘em out to sea instead. Nobody’s funding a sea floor expedition for one body.


I think a single bullet to the head would suffice.


How about not killing anybody.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:19 pm

Valgora wrote:
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I thought we were discussing executions, not playing devils advocate for the mafia.

I figured we're talking about mafia-style executions when the suggestion "tie some weights to them and throw them in a lake" was made.


No, that's just something that revolutionaries did. Granted, there isn't much difference between the mob and the...well, mob.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:22 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Valgora wrote:I figured we're talking about mafia-style executions when the suggestion "tie some weights to them and throw them in a lake" was made.


No, that's just something that revolutionaries did. Granted, there isn't much difference between the mob and the...well, mob.

I'm pretty sure dumping a body in a body of water with "cement shoes" is more associated with the Mafia, not revolutionaries.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:23 pm

Valgora wrote:
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No, that's just something that revolutionaries did. Granted, there isn't much difference between the mob and the...well, mob.

I'm pretty sure dumping a body in a body of water with "cement shoes" is more associated with the Mafia, not revolutionaries.


Tell that to the French.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 pm

Reikoku wrote:
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I think a single bullet to the head would suffice.


How about not killing anybody.


Unless that person is Inejiro Asanuma, of course. Then stab him on national TV, right?
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 pm

Valgora wrote:
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No, that's just something that revolutionaries did. Granted, there isn't much difference between the mob and the...well, mob.

I'm pretty sure dumping a body in a body of water with "cement shoes" is more associated with the Mafia, not revolutionaries.


They're both Latins, so it evens out.

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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Valgora wrote:I'm pretty sure dumping a body in a body of water with "cement shoes" is more associated with the Mafia, not revolutionaries.


Tell that to the French.

"Cement Shoes is a largely fictional method of execution and/or body disposal, usually associated with criminals such as the Mafia or gangs. It involves weighting down the victim, who may be dead or alive, with concrete and throwing them into the water in the hope the body will never be found."
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:28 pm

Valgora wrote:
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Tell that to the French.

"Cement Shoes is a largely fictional method of execution and/or body disposal, usually associated with criminals such as the Mafia or gangs. It involves weighting down the victim, who may be dead or alive, with concrete and throwing them into the water in the hope the body will never be found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drownings_at_Nantes
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:28 pm

Autarkheia wrote:I would find it funny if this thread started defending China and praising it for its moral virtue.


China was better back when it was a Confucian monarchy, before the Commies took over. But Chiang Kai-shek was cool too.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:29 pm

Valgora wrote:
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Tell that to the French.

"Cement Shoes is a largely fictional method of execution and/or body disposal, usually associated with criminals such as the Mafia or gangs. It involves weighting down the victim, who may be dead or alive, with concrete and throwing them into the water in the hope the body will never be found."

I will say fiction does sometimes inspire reality since someone actually went out, and did it. That said I have to admire the committment to putting someone in heavy cement, and dragging their now heavier body possibly screaming, and flailing to a watery grave. That is simply a level of dedication you often do not see out of very specific circumstances.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:32 pm

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Autarkheia wrote:I don't get the appeal of Prussia. Sure, it was a successful and well-organized society, maybe, but I would hardly want to go back to it or use it as a model for current year.


Prussia was trash-tier, people just idolize them because of their militarist imagery.


I am not sure Japan is much better, although I realize that many people like Japan because of the A E S T H E T I C S. I know I do.

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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Valgora wrote:"Cement Shoes is a largely fictional method of execution and/or body disposal, usually associated with criminals such as the Mafia or gangs. It involves weighting down the victim, who may be dead or alive, with concrete and throwing them into the water in the hope the body will never be found."

I will say fiction does sometimes inspire reality since someone actually went out, and did it. That said I have to admire the committment to putting someone in heavy cement, and dragging their now heavier body possibly screaming, and flailing to a watery grave. That is simply a level of dedication you often do not see out of very specific circumstances.

There's a simple way to get around the problems of the person screaming and ect.: killing them or incapacitating them.

And it's likely that this method of hiding a body was used way more often than we think - only one case has been authenticated. So, it's probably effective when it comes to hiding a body you don't want found.
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
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How about not killing anybody.


Unless that person is Inejiro Asanuma, of course. Then stab him on national TV, right?


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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:33 pm

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Autarkheia wrote:I don't get the appeal of Prussia. Sure, it was a successful and well-organized society, maybe, but I would hardly want to go back to it or use it as a model for current year.


Prussia was trash-tier, people just idolize them because of their militarist imagery.


Daily reminder that the Japanese quite liked the Germans and fashioned their own country after them as they westernized. For better or worse.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:34 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Valgora wrote:"Cement Shoes is a largely fictional method of execution and/or body disposal, usually associated with criminals such as the Mafia or gangs. It involves weighting down the victim, who may be dead or alive, with concrete and throwing them into the water in the hope the body will never be found."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drownings_at_Nantes

Even though the French used it, the use of drowning with weights is still more associated with criminal gangs such as the Mafia - at least here in America.
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:36 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Prussia was trash-tier, people just idolize them because of their militarist imagery.


Daily reminder that the Japanese quite liked the Germans and fashioned their own country after them as they westernized. For better or worse.


Yes, I'm aware. I was going to say something about Jakob Meckel but decided to be charitable. In case your memory fails, there are quite a lot of differences between my views and Meiji Japan.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:39 pm

Valgora wrote:

Even though the French used it, the use of drowning with weights is still more associated with criminal gangs such as the Mafia - at least here in America.


This whole discussion of executions was started by discussing the revolutionary use of it is my point.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:42 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Valgora wrote:Even though the French used it, the use of drowning with weights is still more associated with criminal gangs such as the Mafia - at least here in America.


This whole discussion of executions was started by discussing the revolutionary use of it is my point.

As an American (and as someone who likes gangster movies and the like), I assumed we were talking about killing people in general - especially Mafia-style executions.
All this talk about the Mafia on my part has reminded me that I should attempt to finish The Godfather Part II.
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