Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Kowani]

Okay then, that's fine.

Well. Let's look at how we got here. World War One. The only other economic power at the time, Europe. Devastated. America swoops in, helps rebuild. WWII. Repeat. America is the dominant power because it helped other countries get out of shitty situations. Sometimes. Latin America is an exception to that rule. But.Yeah, the house of cards isn't healthy long-term. Except, without America, there would be no house at all. There's a crapton of problems, but removing the US would't help anybody.

I'm not talking about removing the US, I'm saying that it shouldn't have as much world power as it does.

Well, considering the current president, I wouldn't disagree...

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm an Islamic slavery apologist playing devil's advocate for non-Islamic slavery.

I say that it would be a good idea to enslave captured Islamic terrorists.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm an Islamic slavery apologist playing devil's advocate for non-Islamic slavery.

I say that it would be a good idea to enslave captured Islamic terrorists.

It'd be better if they were executed.

[Duvniask]

Yeah, probs should've left out the WWs, yes, it was caught up in the rest.

Okay then, that's fine.

As for the economy part, this is why a nation shouldn't have or be near having world power. Because if they fall, the whole world falls, and that's bad.

Well. Let's look at how we got here. World War One. The only other economic power at the time, Europe. Devastated.

You can't really speak of Europe as being a single entity or "power", especially not at the time.

America swoops in, helps rebuild. WWII. Repeat. America is the dominant power because it helped other countries get out of shitty situations. Sometimes.

And sometimes they downright caused the shit and supported it while it was ongoing. We're talking literal genocides here, like backing Suharto and the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, siding with Pakistan during the Bangladesh War of Independence or, possibly, even supporting the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to Vietnam. Then you've got ya good old run-of-the-mill dictators like Chile's Pinochet, Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Syngman Rhee in South Vietnam, Iran's Shah, and nowadays, places like Saudi Arabia. And so on.

America is just as much the dominant power because it utilized its, admittedly, immense resources to further its own interests, often in disregard of what the humanitarian course of action would have been. America is hardly benevolent. While I'd prefer America as the sole superpower to, say, Russia or China, I'd most of all prefer to not have to settle for a lesser evil.

Latin America is an exception to that rule.

You'll find more exceptions than just Latin America.

[Kowani]

Okay then, that's fine.

Well. Let's look at how we got here. World War One. The only other economic power at the time, Europe. Devastated.

You can't really speak of Europe as being a single entity or "power", especially not at the time.

America swoops in, helps rebuild. WWII. Repeat. America is the dominant power because it helped other countries get out of shitty situations. Sometimes.

And sometimes they downright caused the shit and supported it while it was ongoing. We're talking literal genocides here, like backing Suharto and the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, siding with Pakistan during the Bangladesh War of Independence or, possibly, even supporting the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to Vietnam. Then you've got ya good old run-of-the-mill dictators like Chile's Pinochet, Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Syngman Rhee in South Vietnam, Iran's Shah, and nowadays, places like Saudi Arabia. And so on.

America is just as much the dominant power because it utilized its, admittedly, immense resources to further its own interests, often in disregard of what the humanitarian course of action would have been. America is hardly benevolent. While I'd prefer America as the sole superpower to, say, Russia or China, I'd most of all prefer to not have to settle for a lesser evil.

Latin America is an exception to that rule.

You'll find more exceptions than just Latin America.

Thank you for those excellent examples. However, the world being what it is, I doubt that that wish will come true in our lifetimes.

[Salus Maior]

I'm an Islamic slavery apologist playing devil's advocate for non-Islamic slavery.

One kind of slavery is ultimate the same as any other kind when you get down to it. It's ultimately degrading human beings down to a product to be traded.

[Rezmaeristan]

You can't really speak of Europe as being a single entity or "power", especially not at the time.


And sometimes they downright caused the shit and supported it while it was ongoing. We're talking literal genocides here, like backing Suharto and the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, siding with Pakistan during the Bangladesh War of Independence or, possibly, even supporting the Khmer Rouge as a counterweight to Vietnam. Then you've got ya good old run-of-the-mill dictators like Chile's Pinochet, Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam, Syngman Rhee in South Vietnam, Iran's Shah, and nowadays, places like Saudi Arabia. And so on.

America is just as much the dominant power because it utilized its, admittedly, immense resources to further its own interests, often in disregard of what the humanitarian course of action would have been. America is hardly benevolent. While I'd prefer America as the sole superpower to, say, Russia or China, I'd most of all prefer to not have to settle for a lesser evil.


You'll find more exceptions than just Latin America.

Thank you for those excellent examples. However, the world being what it is, I doubt that that wish will come true in our lifetimes.

Or ever, for that matter. I don't think there will ever truly be a "good" superpower- to be a superpower, a nation has to do some reprehensible things.

[Kaggeceria]

With the loss of status as humans? To be whipped and killed?

Who said they had to be mistreated?

The problem becomes, what crimes? One state could institute such a punishment on dissenters. Or drug dealers.

(Not talking about the Shari'ah here) The former sounds like a legitimate reason for enslavement.

If you make someone a slave then you're inherently mistreating them.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

"America is the Great Satan"
Hold up

Why is america satan when we accept more immigrants than all other nations combined
We send more international aid then every other nation
We have more civil rights then all other nations
We helped the allies win both world wars
We are basically a pillar of society

That reason was more memetic than serious. America is typically considered the Big Bad in certain countries.

[Genivaria]

Who said they had to be mistreated?

(Not talking about the Shari'ah here) The former sounds like a legitimate reason for enslavement.

If you make someone a slave then you're inherently mistreating them.

It should be noted compared to others the Slavery that existed in the American South (as opposed to South America) was 'relatively' benign simply because the slavers had a strong incentive to not KILL their slaves since the slave trade had taken a severe hit in the past century, the point being that there is no such thing as non-cruel slavery. Cruelty and brutality come with the territory.

[1000 Stars]

Prove all of this.

International Aid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... try_donors America has a lower percentage, but a higher overall amount sent.
Civil RIghts...Yeah, not so much. Certain Civil Rights, yes, but there's still so much to do.
World Wars One and Two. Are you serious? Is this actually a question, or did it just get caught up in the rest?
Pillar of Society. Well, considering how much of the world economy depends on America, I'd say that it count as a pretty decent pillar, eh?

What civil rights dont we have
We haave fredom of speech religion assembly press
We have capitalism were anyone can climb the social ladder

We did save the Entente in ww1
We helped greatly in ww2
The Soviets would have beaten germany eventually but america gave great amounts of aid

And thank you for agreeing on the pillar of society

(Not all pillars are perfect but they hold up the ceiling dont they)

[Kowani]

International Aid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... try_donors America has a lower percentage, but a higher overall amount sent.
Civil RIghts...Yeah, not so much. Certain Civil Rights, yes, but there's still so much to do.
World Wars One and Two. Are you serious? Is this actually a question, or did it just get caught up in the rest?
Pillar of Society. Well, considering how much of the world economy depends on America, I'd say that it count as a pretty decent pillar, eh?

What civil rights dont we have
We haave fredom of speech religion assembly press
We have capitalism were anyone can climb the social ladder

We did save the Entente in ww1
We helped greatly in ww2
The Soviets would have beaten germany eventually but america gave great amounts of aid

And thank you for agreeing on the pillar of society

(Not all pillars are perfect but they hold up the ceiling dont they)

See that, mate? That's where all your problems start.
And that's not all.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm an Islamic slavery apologist playing devil's advocate for non-Islamic slavery.

One kind of slavery is ultimate the same as any other kind when you get down to it. It's ultimately degrading human beings down to a product to be traded.

Not all slavery is the same. There are differences in how to enslave someone, how to treat slaves, etc.

If you make someone a slave then you're inherently mistreating them.

It should be noted compared to others the Slavery that existed in the American South (as opposed to South America) was 'relatively' benign simply because the slavers had a strong incentive to not KILL their slaves since the slave trade had taken a severe hit in the past century, the point being that there is no such thing as non-cruel slavery. Cruelty and brutality come with the territory.

Are you saying that they were benign in their time or period?

[Genivaria]

One kind of slavery is ultimate the same as any other kind when you get down to it. It's ultimately degrading human beings down to a product to be traded.

Not all slavery is the same. There are differences in how to enslave someone, how to treat slaves, etc.

It should be noted compared to others the Slavery that existed in the American South (as opposed to South America) was 'relatively' benign simply because the slavers had a strong incentive to not KILL their slaves since the slave trade had taken a severe hit in the past century, the point being that there is no such thing as non-cruel slavery. Cruelty and brutality come with the territory.

Are you saying that they were benign in their time or period?

I don't understand what you're asking.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

International Aid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... try_donors America has a lower percentage, but a higher overall amount sent.
Civil RIghts...Yeah, not so much. Certain Civil Rights, yes, but there's still so much to do.
World Wars One and Two. Are you serious? Is this actually a question, or did it just get caught up in the rest?
Pillar of Society. Well, considering how much of the world economy depends on America, I'd say that it count as a pretty decent pillar, eh?

What civil rights dont we have
We haave fredom of speech religion assembly press
We have capitalism were anyone can climb the social ladder

So do other countries.

We did save the Entente in ww1
We helped greatly in ww2

Raping people and bombing cities doesn't count.

The Soviets would have beaten germany eventually but america gave great amounts of aid

And thank you for agreeing on the pillar of society

(Not all pillars are perfect but they hold up the ceiling dont they)

You replace bad pillars with good pillars.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not all slavery is the same. There are differences in how to enslave someone, how to treat slaves, etc.

Are you saying that they were benign in their time or period?

I don't understand what you're asking.

You said that the south's form of slavery was relatively benign. Are you saying that it was benign for their time or are you saying that it was the most benign ever in human history?

[Stellar Colonies]

What civil rights dont we have
We haave fredom of speech religion assembly press
We have capitalism were anyone can climb the social ladder

So do other countries.

We did save the Entente in ww1
We helped greatly in ww2

Raping people and bombing cities doesn't count.

The Soviets would have beaten germany eventually but america gave great amounts of aid

And thank you for agreeing on the pillar of society

(Not all pillars are perfect but they hold up the ceiling dont they)

You replace bad pillars with good pillars.

The US was also sending the Entente and Allies supplies to continue the wars before officially joining.

That helped a bit.

[Genivaria]

I don't understand what you're asking.

You said that the south's form of slavery was relatively benign. Are you saying that it was benign for their time or are you saying that it was the most benign ever in human history?

It was benign as far as the Atlantic Slave Trade goes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

If you make someone a slave then you're inherently mistreating them.

It should be noted compared to others the Slavery that existed in the American South (as opposed to South America) was 'relatively' benign simply because the slavers had a strong incentive to not KILL their slaves since the slave trade had taken a severe hit in the past century, the point being that there is no such thing as non-cruel slavery. Cruelty and brutality come with the territory.

No and no. Read Many Thousands Gone by Ira Berlin, there was incredible cruelty in the American South. It ranks was one of the more brutal forms of slavery. Rape was extremely common.

[Reikoku]

If you make someone a slave then you're inherently mistreating them.

It should be noted compared to others the Slavery that existed in the American South (as opposed to South America) was 'relatively' benign simply because the slavers had a strong incentive to not KILL their slaves since the slave trade had taken a severe hit in the past century, the point being that there is no such thing as non-cruel slavery. Cruelty and brutality come with the territory.

You do realize that loads of slave women were raped, right? You criticize other people for downplaying or justifying slavery, and you're doing the exact same thing.

[Kaggeceria]

One kind of slavery is ultimate the same as any other kind when you get down to it. It's ultimately degrading human beings down to a product to be traded.

Not all slavery is the same. There are differences in how to enslave someone, how to treat slaves, etc.

You're right. Historically, Islamic slavery was far worse than the Atlantic Slave Trade.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not all slavery is the same. There are differences in how to enslave someone, how to treat slaves, etc.

You're right. Historically, Islamic slavery was far worse than the Atlantic Slave Trade.

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[1000 Stars]

What civil rights dont we have
We haave fredom of speech religion assembly press
We have capitalism were anyone can climb the social ladder

We did save the Entente in ww1
We helped greatly in ww2
The Soviets would have beaten germany eventually but america gave great amounts of aid

And thank you for agreeing on the pillar of society

(Not all pillars are perfect but they hold up the ceiling dont they)

See that, mate? That's where all your problems start.
And that's not all.

Oh so your a commie

[1000 Stars]

Why is america satan when we accept more immigrants than all other nations combined
We send more international aid then every other nation
We have more civil rights then all other nations
We helped the allies win both world wars
We are basically a pillar of society

That reason was more memetic than serious. America is typically considered the Big Bad in certain countries.

Well i can see that with the liberating them from their Oppresors and stuff

[1000 Stars]

So do other countries.

Raping people and bombing cities doesn't count.

You replace bad pillars with good pillars.

The US was also sending the Entente and Allies supplies to continue the wars before officially joining.

That helped a bit.

Well first
Alot of european nations dont guarantee free speech

Why do you think we bombed those cities?
Because we didnt like them?
Because we just wanted civilian casulaties?
No we were dropping those bombs on japan to make them surrender
Ifbwe would have invaded japan the casualties would have been in the 10 million range
You know who would have had the most casualities
Japan would have

By dropping the atom bomb we save millions of american and japanese from dying

Also we had extremely low rape rates

Much lower then the japanese and others