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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:50 pm

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Mardla wrote:Fucked up what happens to that poor guy.


I've not read the book, but I suspect that Dostoyevski would have reserved no cruel and unusual punishment for the character who embodied the blasphemy he would've detested.

He is one of the only good characters in the book, he embodies selflessness and love. Probably the closest any of them comes to a Christian even though he lacks faith.
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:56 pm

Mardla wrote:
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I've not read the book, but I suspect that Dostoyevski would have reserved no cruel and unusual punishment for the character who embodied the blasphemy he would've detested.

He is one of the only good characters in the book, he embodies selflessness and love. Probably the closest any of them comes to a Christian even though he lacks faith.


That's... surprising. I should probably read the book then.

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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:00 pm

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Mardla wrote:He is one of the only good characters in the book, he embodies selflessness and love. Probably the closest any of them comes to a Christian even though he lacks faith.


That's... surprising. I should probably read the book then.

His greatest and most horrific work. The chapter about the charismatic nihilist raping the child who then kills herself is at the end of most editions, as it was forced out in the original publication, but it's important to understand a lot.
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:02 pm

Mardla wrote:
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That's... surprising. I should probably read the book then.

His greatest and most horrific work. The chapter about the charismatic nihilist raping the child who then kills herself is at the end of most editions, as it was forced out in the original publication, but it's important to understand a lot.


Well, at least he didn't pussyfoot around when he wrote about nihilism, unlike a lot of self-proclaimed 'nihilists' today.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:30 pm

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Tbh I think the world would've been better off if John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Henry Dow, and Andrew Carnegie overthrew the U.S. government and ruled it as a corporate dictatorship.


I think the world would have been better off if Britain had won the revolutionary war and America had retained the monarchy.

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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:33 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Mardla wrote:His greatest and most horrific work. The chapter about the charismatic nihilist raping the child who then kills herself is at the end of most editions, as it was forced out in the original publication, but it's important to understand a lot.


Well, at least he didn't pussyfoot around when he wrote about nihilism, unlike a lot of self-proclaimed 'nihilists' today.


Do you mind elaborating on this point? I am interested on what point you are making.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:34 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:
Tbh I think the world would've been better off if John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Henry Dow, and Andrew Carnegie overthrew the U.S. government and ruled it as a corporate dictatorship.


I think the world would have been better off if Britain had won the revolutionary war and America had retained the monarchy.

No, I propose the U.S become the monarchic head of an Anglospheric union.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm

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I think the world would have been better off if Britain had won the revolutionary war and America had retained the monarchy.

No, I propose the U.S become the monarchic head of an Anglospheric union.

Only if I am head of state.
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:51 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:
Tbh I think the world would've been better off if John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Henry Dow, and Andrew Carnegie overthrew the U.S. government and ruled it as a corporate dictatorship.


I think the world would have been better off if Britain had won the revolutionary war and America had retained the monarchy.

We already have plenty of monarchs in Disneyland, they even wave. Castles too.
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:12 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Well, at least he didn't pussyfoot around when he wrote about nihilism, unlike a lot of self-proclaimed 'nihilists' today.


Do you mind elaborating on this point? I am interested on what point you are making.

Nihilism was serious shit then. Now it's gone into a sort of comfortable torpor. Similar to what happened with Christianity.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:13 pm

Mardla wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Do you mind elaborating on this point? I am interested on what point you are making.

Nihilism was serious shit then. Now it's gone into a sort of comfortable torpor. Similar to what happened with Christianity.


Depends what we mean by nihilism. It isn't a single concept on its own, much like Christianity isn't all united under a single sect (which would be a contradiction given the meaning of sect).
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:16 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Mardla wrote:Nihilism was serious shit then. Now it's gone into a sort of comfortable torpor. Similar to what happened with Christianity.


Depends what we mean by nihilism. It isn't a single concept on its own, much like Christianity isn't all united under a single sect (which would be a contradiction given the meaning of sect).

Nihilist anarchism.

Christian sects are all wrong, ofc, in the original church, all bishops were one in communion.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 pm

Mardla wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Depends what we mean by nihilism. It isn't a single concept on its own, much like Christianity isn't all united under a single sect (which would be a contradiction given the meaning of sect).

Nihilist anarchism.

Christian sects are all wrong, ofc, in the original church, all bishops were one in communion.


You mean as in like the Russian nihilist movement in the late 19th century, and illegalists, and existential anarchists?
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:22 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Mardla wrote:Nihilist anarchism.

Christian sects are all wrong, ofc, in the original church, all bishops were one in communion.


You mean as in like the Russian nihilist movement in the late 19th century, and illegalists, and existential anarchists?

And the punk rockers.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:12 pm

Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.
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Postby Frievolk » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

1- Tunisia is North Africa, not Middle East :p
2- The only non-terrible example in the entire Middle East is Israel.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:14 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

It's no where near the ME's best example. This just just them more in a hole. Like wtfreak Tunis? >:(
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:15 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

1- Tunisia is North Africa, not Middle East :p
2- The only non-terrible example in the entire Middle East is Israel.


Least terrible, at best.
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Postby Frievolk » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Frievolk wrote:1- Tunisia is North Africa, not Middle East :p
2- The only non-terrible example in the entire Middle East is Israel.


Least terrible, at best.

I'd say it is decidedly not terrible. It isn't perfect, of course, but in the context of the Middle East, it might as well be.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:18 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

It's no where near the ME's best example. This just just them more in a hole. Like wtfreak Tunis? >:(


What would you then consider to be the presently best example?
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:18 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Least terrible, at best.

I'd say it is decidedly not terrible. It isn't perfect, of course, but in the context of the Middle East, it might as well be.


Different standards I guess.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:21 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's no where near the ME's best example. This just just them more in a hole. Like wtfreak Tunis? >:(


What would you then consider to be the presently best example?

None.
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:23 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

Do they get a warrant?
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Mardla wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Apparently Tunisia has taken to doing forced anal exams on suspected homosexuals.

I thought that was supposed to be the ME's best example.

Do they get a warrant?


A warrant to counter sodomy by . . .inserting things into their asses?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:28 pm

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