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Postby Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:49 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:As long as it is within the guidelines of Shari'ah, yes.

Prove it.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Says who?

That was actually a prophetic dream. Allah SWT told the Prophet Muhammad SAWS that his marriage to A'isha RA would happen.


Slavery is a human rights violation.

*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:So keeping slaves is fine, eh?

As long as it is within the guidelines of Shari'ah, yes.
Greater Cesnica wrote:Also, you have said before that child marriage is fine.

Prove it.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:50 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Also, regarding what I said about Torra in the previous thread: I meant that she ought to be held accountable for bad behavior, not that I would report just to "use the mods as a weapon". And also, sorry for getting her pronouns wrong, I was a bit distracted.


Luckily enough, I don't happen to do stupid shit like say, "we should kill these people!" or what-have-you.

Even better, if you search a bit through my post history, with a few keywords, you can easily see I openly condemn atrocious shit like wanton murder or even full-fledged genocide, so to even argue I'd do something as callous and shitty as advocate for murder is plain stupid.

The worst I've openly done is say that American soldiers at Dachau weren't morally wrong for filling some Hungarian Nazis from the SS with lead.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:50 pm

If your god is telling people they're gonna marry kids you should find new gods lol
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If your god is telling people they're gonna marry kids you should find new gods lol

Golly gee, sure smells like bigotry around here.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm

Mardla wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:

Slavery is a human rights violation.

*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?

I know right?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:But not a sharia violation


And here I thought we were over haggling about sharia and Islam in these threads.

I swear, if I hear one more discussion about Islam on this thread I WILL dissolve Parliament!!

Amin is a thing, and the IDT’s full of Jolthig and Sah’s ranting, so I don’t particularly want to go there.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:51 pm

Mardla wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:

Slavery is a human rights violation.

*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?


...Governments?
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Agreeable.

Source for the EZLN?


I was off by a bit, it's about 363,000 people.

It's still not paradise.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Communism still destroys the environment. The thing is, that human nature comes to play in government, and the government becomes a corrupt mess.


Someone clearly missed out on Green Anarchism it seems. :3


Green anarchism is a silly ideology. I mean, unless you decide to go full an-prim and try to destroy all civilization and technology, how will you stop people from harming the environment for their own selfish purposes except through government action? Linkola-ist eco-authoritarianism is a superior ideology.

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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
It's never okay to marry a nine year old, sorry.

Says who?
Reikoku wrote:Especially when you claim to have God speaking to you.

That was actually a prophetic dream. Allah SWT told the Prophet Muhammad SAWS that his marriage to A'isha RA would happen.


If the Abrahamic God says pedophilia is acceptable even in just one instance (which considering child marriages were common back then, he did more than once) then I'm glad to believe in many gods. Shirk ftw

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:53 pm

Mardla wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:

Slavery is a human rights violation.

*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?

We see why you argued for slavery.
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Postby Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:53 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Mardla wrote:*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?


...Governments?

Some governments permit slavery
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
And here I thought we were over haggling about sharia and Islam in these threads.

I swear, if I hear one more discussion about Islam on this thread I WILL dissolve Parliament!!

Amin is a thing, and the IDT’s full of Jolthig and Sah’s ranting, so I don’t particularly want to go there.

Not anymore. Only Amin.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:53 pm

The South Falls wrote:

It's still not paradise.


I, too, shift my goal posts wantonly.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:54 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
And here I thought we were over haggling about sharia and Islam in these threads.

I swear, if I hear one more discussion about Islam on this thread I WILL dissolve Parliament!!

Amin is a thing, and the IDT’s full of Jolthig and Sah’s ranting, so I don’t particularly want to go there.


Then don't. And who cares what Amin's Islamic opinions are?
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:54 pm

Reikoku wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Says who?

That was actually a prophetic dream. Allah SWT told the Prophet Muhammad SAWS that his marriage to A'isha RA would happen.


If the Abrahamic God says pedophilia is acceptable even in just one instance (which considering child marriages were common back then, he did more than once) then I'm glad to believe in many gods. Shirk ftw


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Postby Reikoku » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:If your god is telling people they're gonna marry kids you should find new gods lol


Tbf, Zeus raped women constantly as a swan, and Woden and the Norse gods aren't much better. Westerners don't have better options than Jesus.

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Postby Joohan » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

I've got a good question to start things off!

Who, in society, should be enfranchised? That is to say, who should be able to wield political power?

In America ( and most of the western world ), it is any adult over the age of 18 who is a citizen, not a violent criminal, or mentally handicapped. In the last two centuries of European history, enfranchisement was reserved for white men of property or noble standing. During the Medieval period of Europe, only landed nobility held enfranchisement. And in the time of the Roman Republic/Empire, only men who had served the state were enfranchised.

Personally, I think that only those who have contributed directly to the survival and prosperity of the system should have say in it's operations. How one would receive such a privilege would depend upon what they could contribute, depending upon their ability; this would mean different requirements for different individuals. For example: able bodied men might be expected to do military or emergency service. Disabled individuals might be expected to preform more public services, such as case work or educational programs. Woman might be expected to produce at least two children, or something akin to this. A couple might be able to achieve enfranchisement by adopting an orphan or taking in foster children. I believe that enfranchisement should be a privilege earned, not given.
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Postby Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Mardla wrote:*snorts* "Human rights", lol. Who gets to decide what those are?

We see why you argued for slavery.

Boy oh boy, libs never stop being salty over the idea of child rapists doing forced labor.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kowani wrote:Amin is a thing, and the IDT’s full of Jolthig and Sah’s ranting, so I don’t particularly want to go there.


Then don't. And who cares what Amin's Islamic opinions are?

I don't want him owning slaves or marrying pre-buscent girls. He's said he would own slaves.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:55 pm

Mardla wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
...Governments?

Some governments permit slavery


So? The point I'm making is that certain governments collaborated in order to create "Human Rights". They didn't exist before that, obviously.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Mardla wrote:
The South Falls wrote:We see why you argued for slavery.

Boy oh boy, libs never stop being salty over the idea of child rapists doing forced labor.

I prefer low-voltage electrocution, but I second this.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Reikoku wrote:Went to the bookstore a few days ago. Due to little moneyz, had to pick between Storm of Steel and the I-Ching. Ended up choosing the latter and pretty impressed so far. I wish that there were Taiwanese parties built around the philosophy of the text.

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Postby Mardla » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Joohan wrote:I've got a good question to start things off!

Who, in society, should be enfranchised? That is to say, who should be able to wield political power?

In America ( and most of the western world ), it is any adult over the age of 18 who is a citizen, not a violent criminal, or mentally handicapped. In the last two centuries of European history, enfranchisement was reserved for white men of property or noble standing. During the Medieval period of Europe, only landed nobility held enfranchisement. And in the time of the Roman Republic/Empire, only men who had served the state were enfranchised.

Personally, I think that only those who have contributed directly to the survival and prosperity of the system should have say in it's operations. How one would receive such a privilege would depend upon what they could contribute, depending upon their ability; this would mean different requirements for different individuals. For example: able bodied men might be expected to do military or emergency service. Disabled individuals might be expected to preform more public services, such as case work or educational programs. Woman might be expected to produce at least two children, or something akin to this. A couple might be able to achieve enfranchisement by adopting an orphan or taking in foster children. I believe that enfranchisement should be a privilege earned, not given.

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