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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:04 am

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Lt Col Tahir Hussain
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Postby Lt Col Tahir Hussain » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:08 am

I can surely not compromise on getting poorer grades.

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Postby Lt Col Tahir Hussain » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:09 am

Lt Col Tahir Hussain wrote:I can surely not compromise on getting poorer grades.

and additionally when somebody derides a woman. :(

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Postby Moskovalkia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:15 am

I could not compromise on my belief of determinism, I am a true-follower of this belief because it offers the strongest argument and gives the best explanation to why the world it is as it is and those who live human or non-human animals. Compromising with the free-will belief really defeats the purpose of having the argument on whether you as an individual can or cannot make decisions on your own. The Free-will argument has some strengths such as the acknowledgment of knowing that there are options that can affect the goal, such as two paths one is quicker the other is longer, it is a suggested evidence that because we have this capability to acknowledge the decision-making process entitles that we do have free-will. However, in determinism whatever event that happened prior to making you acknowledge the decision making is because of an event that preceded with another event which made you lead to another decision by the cause of that event. You as an individual has your path already preemptive been set, because every event leads to another event and that event we may recognize is because of an event that made you realize to think that you are having free-will when you think you are making a free choice is actually because of the event that made an event to make the event of you thinking that you think you have free-will, when you don't. These events began when the universe began every event begins and ends with an event always creating and always controlling our decisions, that is why I strongly affirm that you cannot compromise determinism.

Also, some of you may feel heated, this is a touchy and revealing subject and I know that people are so sure that they make their own individual decisions that when someone there's "Yea nah, its all pre-determined", you can imagine the merry-go-round arguments with those who cannot see the weaknesses in their argument.
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A trivial squabble. Sheep are superior to both. It's like Americans and Canadians arguing over who has the best version of English.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:36 am

Page wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
> Keeps commenting about it.
> “I dOnT CArE!”

Okay so you haven’t played the game. Have you atleast watched let’s plays or walkthroughs about it? Because then you’ll see why people are giving it shit.


Could you offer at least one example so I don't have to spend more than an hour watching a LP looking for the evil SJW agenda?


You are free to look at my previous post about it, I don't like repeating myself.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:42 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
> Keeps commenting about it.
> “I dOnT CArE!”

Okay so you haven’t played the game. Have you atleast watched let’s plays or walkthroughs about it? Because then you’ll see why people are giving it shit.

You are the one responding to things I haven’t mentioned you in directly, but I am enjoying your projection.


But the indirect mention is obvious, and likewise :) So is this you not caring or are you going to answer my question?
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:43 am

Lt Col Tahir Hussain wrote:
Lt Col Tahir Hussain wrote:I can surely not compromise on getting poorer grades.

and additionally when somebody derides a woman. :(


I'm pretty sure talking to yourself in NSG is considered spam. Just saying.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Christian Bail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:45 am

I have rather controversial opinions.
Communism, socialism, transgenderism, progressivism. I have a burning hatred for each, and while I can respect some who belong to these ideologies, I will never cease hating them.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:46 am

On the idea that academics are the smartest people or that their opinions matter in the grand picture, and on the idea that education is an indicator of intelligence.

Also on the idea that diversity = strength.
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Christian Bail
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Postby Christian Bail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:50 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:On the idea that academics are the smartest people or that their opinions matter in the grand picture, and on the idea that education is an indicator of intelligence.

Also on sovereignty and liberty. The conversation ends the moment you say borders don't matter or the principle of decisions made outside of the country is okay.


Indeed!

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Postby Page » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:09 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:On the idea that academics are the smartest people or that their opinions matter in the grand picture, and on the idea that education is an indicator of intelligence.


Education does matter. An uneducated person can be intelligent and skilled in various ways, but a thorough understanding of a topic requires expertise, and expertise requires education. Someone with little education might have a natural disposition for doing math, repairing broken things, solving puzzles, they can even sometimes be good writers.

But some vocations require education. You cannot be a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer without an education. That doesn't mean a doctor is necessarily smarter than someone who works a low skilled job. You can be a cashier and have a great intellect and be able to analyze your environment and understand the way of the world better than a doctor. But you can't perform surgery.

And like being a doctor, being a policy maker is one of those things that demands an education. If you can't find a country on a map, how can you understand geopolitics? How can you understand Russia's interests in annexing Crimea if you don't realize that Crimea is a warm water port, something Russians lack which costs them in trade and prevents them from projecting naval power? How can you understand sectarian violence in the Middle East if you don't have a thorough comprehension of Sykes-Picot and its ramifications?

That doesn't even mean you have to go to a prestigious university. Hell, you can even get an education from a public library and the internet. But anyone who is not extremely well versed in history, sociology, law, and government should be kept far away from positions of power.
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Postby Firaxin » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:10 am

That morals are defined by God, and thus while people may not believe in them or agree with them, they are still under their effect.

That people strive to maximize happiness and satisfaction for themselves alone. The effects of virtue are true satisfaction and happiness, that is why humans sometimes act selflessly, even when they appear to indulge in sin.

The effects of sin are dissatisfaction and unhappiness, while one may gain pleasure from sin, they are ultimately harming themselves.

The rising rates of atheism are the reason why depression is on the rise as well. While many atheists will remain good people, many will also begin mistaking some sin for neutral or good acts, resulting in depression due to the dissatisfaction and unhappiness.

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Postby Gudmund » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:18 am

All religion in which the believers state blatantly false information, that blindly follow a fictional deity, and who also often uphold a false sense of superiority over others not following their religion.
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Postby Christian Bail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:21 am

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Postby Gudmund » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:24 am

Christian Bail wrote:I have rather controversial opinions.
Communism, socialism, transgenderism, progressivism. I have a burning hatred for each, and while I can respect some who belong to these ideologies, I will never cease hating them.

Why the repost?
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Postby Christian Bail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:26 am

Gudmund wrote:
Christian Bail wrote:I have rather controversial opinions.
Communism, socialism, transgenderism, progressivism. I have a burning hatred for each, and while I can respect some who belong to these ideologies, I will never cease hating them.

Why the repost?

I think Nationstates bugged out on me XP sorry!

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:27 am

Christian Bail wrote:I have rather controversial opinions.
Communism, socialism, transgenderism, progressivism. I have a burning hatred for each, and while I can respect some who belong to these ideologies, I will never cease hating them.
Christian Bail wrote:I have rather controversial opinions.
Communism, socialism, transgenderism, progressivism. I have a burning hatred for each, and while I can respect some who belong to these ideologies, I will never cease hating them.

Is there a reason that you posted the same thing twice?
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:28 am

Christian Bail wrote:
Gudmund wrote:Why the repost?

I think Nationstates bugged out on me XP sorry!

Over half an hour later? Doubtful. :eyebrow:
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
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But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Christian Bail » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:30 am

I honestly don’t know what happened with my post, I apologize for the inconvenience

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Postby Volruheim » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 am

I can’t compromise with people who put Milk into the cereal bowl before cereal, it’s just weird... you gotta put the cereal in first, then the milk, and then the spoon. Speaking of utensils.... if you actually choose to use a fork over a spoon, to eat cereal, you are Disgusting

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:37 am

Volruheim wrote:I can’t compromise with people who put Milk into the cereal bowl before cereal, it’s just weird... you gotta put the cereal in first, then the milk, and then the spoon. Speaking of utensils.... if you actually choose to use a fork over a spoon, to eat cereal, you are Disgusting

I use a knife.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Volruheim » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Volruheim wrote:I can’t compromise with people who put Milk into the cereal bowl before cereal, it’s just weird... you gotta put the cereal in first, then the milk, and then the spoon. Speaking of utensils.... if you actually choose to use a fork over a spoon, to eat cereal, you are Disgusting

I use a knife.

......You monster... just for that I’m helping the legion

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Postby New Excalibus » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:41 am

I cannot compromise with those who have the inability to know when to stop. It drives me crazy when someone makes a funny joke, then extends it really long and it's soon not even funny.
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Postby Sougra » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:58 am

There's really nothing I can think of. I can certainly be disgusted and appalled by certain ideas and decisions, but I can and will associate myself with you if I deem it acceptable to me. Ostracization and alienation only makes it so that people only have one way to go, by simply explaining your point of view in opposition to them, it makes it so that they're less likely to believe they're completely correct. If a person can't handle a discussion or debate, then I'll phase myself out unless I have a good idea of how to approach it or they reach out to me first.
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