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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:46 am

Beliefs that I won't even befriend anyone who disagrees:
  • Not really anything unless the person keeps going on about it so much as to undermine their good qualities, or they have committed violent or harmful actions in service of their beliefs for which they show no remorse.

Beliefs that I will not compromise on:
  • Democracy. No taxation without some form of representation.
  • General science. The earth is round. Evolution is real. Vaccines don't cause autism. etc.
  • No established religion is real. No disrespect to the religious, but I do not believe, and can't see myself doing so any time soon.
  • No law should be passed respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting it's peaceful practice thereof.
  • No death penalty for any crime that is neither violent nor homicidal. Even then, I don't like the death penalty in general.
  • Innocent until proven guilty.
  • No legal consequences for any form of speech or expression except for deliberately false defamation, and direct incitement to violence.
  • Equal legal rights for all humans.
  • Private property ia a human right.
  • No jail time for any victimless crime.
  • No wholesale prohibition of alcohol or any drugs proven to be less harmful than it.
  • No wholesale prohibition of firearms. Prohibiting some firearms is debatable but prohibiting all is unacceptable.
  • Genital mutilation of children is barbaric and violates their right to choose.
  • People have a right to have sex with whoever they choose, same sex, different sex, multiple people, for profit, as long as they're consenting human adults.
  • All violence other than self-defense and competitions is unacceptable.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:08 am

People who make excuses for slavery, people who advocate killing people for holding different views.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:10 am

Genivaria wrote:People who make excuses for slavery, people who advocate killing people for holding different views.


This too.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:00 pm

Generally, pro-abortion, feminist, marxist, or racist comments leave me far less inclined to look fondly at the person making them.
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Postby Frievolk » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:02 pm

Frievolk wrote:Politically speaking, The Fundemental Rights of Man are something I can not compromise on. People own themselves, People have the right to Free Speech, To Free Thought, and to Free Press. This makes me automatically against the "Pro-Life" movement by default, and against most authoritarians by proxy.
Furthermore, the fundamental equal status of Humans at birth (i.e. Equality between races, Genders, and Sexualities where rights are concerned) is also something I don't compromise on.

On a philosophical level, I guess I can't compromise on Monotheism. There's either no god, or more than one.

To add to that, I'm starting to get to a point of no-compromise about General, basic, science too. Earth is Flat, Evolution happened and is happening, Vaccination helped save humanity and with the lax laws older eradicated diseases are making a comeback because we aren't taking vaccination seriously.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:25 pm

Frievolk wrote:"Everyone" isn't being called a Nazi or a racist.


Right, only those guilty of wrongthink accusing of racism, even if race has nothing to do with it.

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Postby Reikoku » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:51 pm

The imperial house.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:01 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Northeast American Federation wrote:In an age where everyone is being called a nazi, racist, etc etc, to just be seen as an asshole is relatively mundane.
"Everyone" isn't being called a Nazi or a racist. Racist people are being called Racist (because the standards have increased to an acceptable level that "not participating in the lynch mob your words gathered" doesn't make you innocent of racism), and Nazis and Nazi Sympathizers are being called Nazis (which we should have been doing since 1945, but the West as a collective was too busy lapping up to former Nazis in "fight against communism" to actually go through with the denazification).

Stop being a dick, and people won't call you out for it.


Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol. And then the far left proceed to make racist comments themselves, BLM saying that all white babies need to die, self hating SJWs calling for the literal oppression and enslavement of whites on twitter, etc.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:02 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:"Everyone" isn't being called a Nazi or a racist. Racist people are being called Racist (because the standards have increased to an acceptable level that "not participating in the lynch mob your words gathered" doesn't make you innocent of racism), and Nazis and Nazi Sympathizers are being called Nazis (which we should have been doing since 1945, but the West as a collective was too busy lapping up to former Nazis in "fight against communism" to actually go through with the denazification).

Stop being a dick, and people won't call you out for it.


Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol.

look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters

I mean alot of them are pretty justified.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:04 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol.

look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters

I mean alot of them are pretty justified.


And a lot of them are not.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Rectification Government » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:07 pm

I usually stop talking to anarchists, fascists, and red fascists the moment they say something to reveal their views. i also do the same to theocrats. The reason for the first one is because I believe that a state is necessary to protect the truly vulnerable, but it must not be too powerful to the point of constantly surveilling all citizens, and harshly punishing them for breaking the rules. I stop talking to theocrats because I believe that flawed man can never rule as an equal to God, as many theocratic rulers have tried and as many are still trying to do to this day.
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:07 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:"Everyone" isn't being called a Nazi or a racist. Racist people are being called Racist (because the standards have increased to an acceptable level that "not participating in the lynch mob your words gathered" doesn't make you innocent of racism), and Nazis and Nazi Sympathizers are being called Nazis (which we should have been doing since 1945, but the West as a collective was too busy lapping up to former Nazis in "fight against communism" to actually go through with the denazification).

Stop being a dick, and people won't call you out for it.


Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol.


There isn't much need to 'smear' Trump and his supporters considering how many lies and controversies they've gotten themselves caught up in.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:09 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol.


There isn't much need to 'smear' Trump and his supporters considering how many lies and controversies they've gotten themselves caught up in.


What controversies? Going against the leftists's wishes? The sexual assault allegations that turned out to be bogus? Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed? lol. Everything the left hates, they consider to be controversial.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Misthas » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:12 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:"Everyone" isn't being called a Nazi or a racist. Racist people are being called Racist (because the standards have increased to an acceptable level that "not participating in the lynch mob your words gathered" doesn't make you innocent of racism), and Nazis and Nazi Sympathizers are being called Nazis (which we should have been doing since 1945, but the West as a collective was too busy lapping up to former Nazis in "fight against communism" to actually go through with the denazification).

Stop being a dick, and people won't call you out for it.


Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol. And then the far left proceed to make racist comments themselves, BLM saying that all white babies need to die, self hating SJWs calling for the literal oppression and enslavement of whites on twitter, etc.

Both sides' extreme wings are horrible, but just because one side did something bad you can ignore the other's misdoings. I'd say that there's a far greater proportion of white supremacists to black supremacists, and while there's not that large an amount of chauvinists saying women need to die, there's an abundance of fedora-wearing incels (of whom the majority are alt-right) who think women should be sex slaves.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:13 pm

Misthas wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Yes they are, look at the insane accusations the far left have been making against Trump and his supporters. It's not that hard to see that it's just a smear campaign. Even black conservatives are being called white supremacists lol. And then the far left proceed to make racist comments themselves, BLM saying that all white babies need to die, self hating SJWs calling for the literal oppression and enslavement of whites on twitter, etc.

Both sides' extreme wings are horrible, but just because one side did something bad you can ignore the other's misdoings. I'd say that there's a far greater proportion of white supremacists to black supremacists, and while there's not that large an amount of chauvinists saying women need to die, there's an abundance of fedora-wearing incels (of whom the majority are alt-right) who think women should be sex slaves.


''abundance'' yeah sure :roll:

And yes I am aware of the extreme right wing as well. Never said they didn't exist. But many people here so it seems, deny that the radical left aren't doing anything wrong or willingly turn a blind eye to their wrong doing just because ''they're against fascism!'', not in this thread in particular but in general.

Page for example thinks it's okay to physically seek out and attack white nationalists solely because of their views.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Misthas » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:16 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
There isn't much need to 'smear' Trump and his supporters considering how many lies and controversies they've gotten themselves caught up in.


What controversies? Going against the leftists's wishes? The sexual assault allegations that turned out to be bogus? Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed? lol. Everything the left hates, they consider to be controversial.

Going against the leftists wishes makes up quite a few of them, yes, but there are some statements made by him and his supporters that are complete bogus. However, I must agree with you on the Kavanaugh one, Dr. Ford didn't really have any evidence to back up her statements. However, how Kavanaugh acted in the hearings was completely unprofessional (among others, we all know what boofing and the Devil's Triangle are)
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Postby Misthas » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:18 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Misthas wrote:Both sides' extreme wings are horrible, but just because one side did something bad you can ignore the other's misdoings. I'd say that there's a far greater proportion of white supremacists to black supremacists, and while there's not that large an amount of chauvinists saying women need to die, there's an abundance of fedora-wearing incels (of whom the majority are alt-right) who think women should be sex slaves.


''abundance'' yeah sure :roll:

And yes I am aware of the extreme right wing as well. Never said they didn't exist. But many people here so it seems, deny that the radical left aren't doing anything wrong or willingly turn a blind eye to their wrong doing just because ''they're against fascism!'', not in this thread in particular but in general.


Abudance, relatively speaking.

But I agree, people on both sides are willing to turn a blind eye to the extreme wings of their political leaning. And while the "left" media far outnumbers the "right" media in terms of representation, the "right" media is more vocal about it.
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:19 pm

For me, it is when Communists try to say they have done the right thing. It is crystal clear that communism both a) hasn’t worked to create a prosperous nation, and b) Hasn’t existed without murdering at least 10,000 people.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:19 pm

Misthas wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
What controversies? Going against the leftists's wishes? The sexual assault allegations that turned out to be bogus? Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed? lol. Everything the left hates, they consider to be controversial.

Going against the leftists wishes makes up quite a few of them, yes, but there are some statements made by him and his supporters that are complete bogus. However, I must agree with you on the Kavanaugh one, Dr. Ford didn't really have any evidence to back up her statements. However, how Kavanaugh acted in the hearings was completely unprofessional (among others, we all know what boofing and the Devil's Triangle are)


Yeah he certainly could have handled it a bit differently.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Chernoslavia wrote:He isn't wrong though, the left have called people they just simply don't like or disagree with Nazis or fascists when that's clearly not the case.

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Cossack Khanate wrote:For me, it is when Communists try to say they have done the right thing. It is crystal clear that communism both a) hasn’t worked to create a prosperous nation, and b) Hasn’t existed without murdering at least 10,000 people.

It hasn't existed at all except maybe in very early human history.
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:13 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
There isn't much need to 'smear' Trump and his supporters considering how many lies and controversies they've gotten themselves caught up in.


What controversies? Going against the leftists's wishes? The sexual assault allegations that turned out to be bogus? Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed? lol. Everything the left hates, they consider to be controversial.


Stormy Daniels, the Russian investigation, refusal to condemn the Charlottesville white supremacists, pardon of Joe Arpaio, family separation policy, etc. Several of these things were not just condemned by leftists. The family separation policy was condemned by several conservative churches, and lots of Republicans were critical of Joe Arpaio's pardon, such as John McCain and Paul Ryan. Trump's tense history of race relations don't do well to vindicate him of accusations of racism.

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Postby Rectification Government » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:19 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
What controversies? Going against the leftists's wishes? The sexual assault allegations that turned out to be bogus? Brett Kavanaugh being confirmed? lol. Everything the left hates, they consider to be controversial.


Stormy Daniels, the Russian investigation, refusal to condemn the Charlottesville white supremacists, pardon of Joe Arpaio, family separation policy, etc. Several of these things were not just condemned by leftists. The family separation policy was condemned by several conservative churches, and lots of Republicans were critical of Joe Arpaio's pardon, such as John McCain and Paul Ryan. Trump's tense history of race relations don't do well to vindicate him of accusations of racism.

Yes, I believe that Stormy Daniels and the Russian investigation should be condemned. I don't see the left condemning them though, quite the opposite. Many leftists have swarmed to the support of Stormy Daniels and are proud members of the Intelligence Bootlicking Corps to own the cons.
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:41 pm

Rectification Government wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Stormy Daniels, the Russian investigation, refusal to condemn the Charlottesville white supremacists, pardon of Joe Arpaio, family separation policy, etc. Several of these things were not just condemned by leftists. The family separation policy was condemned by several conservative churches, and lots of Republicans were critical of Joe Arpaio's pardon, such as John McCain and Paul Ryan. Trump's tense history of race relations don't do well to vindicate him of accusations of racism.

Yes, I believe that Stormy Daniels and the Russian investigation should be condemned. I don't see the left condemning them though, quite the opposite. Many leftists have swarmed to the support of Stormy Daniels and are proud members of the Intelligence Bootlicking Corps to own the cons.


That's not what I meant, and I think you're smart enough to know that. If you aren't, well I have no reason to talk to you.

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