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Postby Nioya » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:26 am

Well there’s a guy at the UU church I go to sometimes. He’s a friend of a friend and we talk. We tried going out and having lunch. He tried talking to me about this new book he got and he explained it in terms of crazy alt right theories. And with everything he said, he would reference some other strange thinker he had read about and explained some strange theory he learned from that guy. Everything.

And on the way home, we got into a big huge argument about global warming and he thought it was basically just a Chinese conspiracy theory. We argued about this for approximately 20 minutes. He even got defensive like “well you can call this a conspiracy theory but that’s just an ad hominem......” Then I tried using some metaphor comparing the Paris climate accords to the Geneva convention.

OK now that wasn’t what made me want to stop speaking to the guy. But then he said he tried reading macintyre but he found it boring. Then I thought “OK fuck this guy.” I’m never speaking to him again.

The fact that he would be so suspicious about such a basic fact and get defensive at any pushback is ridiculous. And at a certain point people make things up so they don’t have to believe things they don’t want to hear, and it’s a real sign of bad character. This guy is one such example. That’s why I don’t speak to them. But also, he had read a bunch of nonsense and fringe theories and could explain all in such articulate terms, but he sneered at actual philosophical genius. I’ll never speak to him again.

Now, we all have issues that get us really riled up. We can disagree about the death penalty or family leave, but you probably have one issue that infuriates you if someone says the wrong thing about it. And I think that’s OK, because believing a certain thing can be a real reflection of their character or be deeply disrespectful. What issue infuriates you the most?
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Postby Dreshand » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:29 am

Either when people tell me the earth really is flat.

Or when people say that ANTIFA has killed more people than the Nazis
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Postby Chan Island » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:30 am

Democracy.

EDIT: And anti-vaxxers. Vaccines are lifesavers and I have no time for people who cherrypick a single study from a disgraced con artist to justify messing with the health of children.

And the fact that we don't need any genocide of any kind right now. It's shocking how many seem to hold some variant of that view though. No, fuck that shit, genocide is terrible.
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Postby Nioya » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:31 am

Dreshand wrote:Either when people tell me the earth really is flat.

Or when people say that ANTIFA has killed more people than the Nazis

Man both of statements are really really wrong
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:33 am

Anti vaxxers, gay marriage, climate change, sheep being superior.

Probably a few other things too.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:35 am

I suppose climate change comes to my mind first and foremost. I have a lot of friends who deny climate change. While I enjoy their friendship and their company, that is one of the few issues I can't keep quiet about when they bring it up. I mean, when my hard-right friends discuss politics, I'm content to opine and remain tame, civil...I almost just banter a little then try to take the conversation back to mundane shit. But climate change? Now that's when I'm at my most uncompromising.

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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:38 am

I normally keep a level-headed stance towards anyone, though if someone has very extreme views, I'll just be a little uncomfortable towards them.

What I can't stand are anti-vaxxers. Danger to society. End of. If I found out that someone close to me is an AVer, I'll try to rebut as much as I can, prevent them from going downhill, or endangering their future kids and the people around them. If that's not enough... I'm sorry, friend/relative. I can't be close to you.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:42 am

The state. Especially the welfare state. Islam. Tyranny of the masses vs individualism.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:44 am

Compromise?

What's that?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:45 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Compromise?

What's that?


Something you won't compromise on.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:46 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Compromise?

What's that?


Something you won't compromise on.


No I just mean... who compromises on beliefs?

If you believe something, then you believe it until someone convinces you otherwise. If you can compromise on a belief than its not a truly held belief...

question confuses me

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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:47 am

Compromise, or concede?
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:47 am

As many others have previously said, anti-vaxxers.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:47 am

I find the whole Brexit saga to be an utter turn off and pointless debating, I do find those who are for Brexit to be far more aggressive on the subject..

..but for no compromise, weirdos who put milk in the cup before water for tea.. I mean, honestly.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 am

I'm fairly calm, even when I deeply and fundamentally disagree with what someone's saying. While strongly pro-choice and pro-same-sex marriage, I generally debate both civilly; I'm also civil when debating with people who deny climate change.

Holocaust deniers, anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and people who peddle "conversion therapy" or similar unscientific BS, however...

EDIT: And some religious fundies who think "woman" is synonym for "mindless breeding-machine" -- not related to pro-choice, per se, and certainly not all/many/most religious people (but certain sects can be big on that). Also, as has been said, people who advocate genocide.
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Postby Page » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 am

I don't compromise on facts, things which are proven beyond any reasonable doubt, examples of which include:

- Evolution is real
- Climate change is real and humans are contributing to it
- Voter fraud in America is virtually nonexistent
- Vaccines work and don't cause autism

One matter of opinion I find it impossible to compromise on and where I absolutely cannot see any merit to the other side is harm reduction drug policy. I do not find even the slightest value in punishing drug users and I have no idea why anyone would be against harm reduction measures, such as:

- Safe injection sites. You're not given drugs there, you come there with your own drugs, you get a clean needle, and there is someone with naloxone standing by in case anyone overdoses.

- Legalizing cannabis and keeping other herbal alternatives legal.

- Drug testing tents set up at music festivals and raves so people can know what they're taking.

- Not treating personal drug possession and use as a crime.

- Also e-cigs, which are an excellent harm reduction alternative for smokers. No reasonable person is claiming that vaping is good for you but we already have abundant evidence that switching from smoked tobacco to e-cigs has huge harm reduction benefits.

I know people who would be alive today if some of these things were done differently, I know people who have quit heroin because of harm reduction alternatives (and stayed alive long enough to quit in the first place). One thing I am sure about is treating drug use as a criminal issue doesn't work. To break an addiction, one needs support and something to live for. When you put someone in jail, you isolate them from their friends, family, and community, you make it more difficult for them to be financially self-sufficient, you make it way harder for them to get a job, and sometimes you don't even temporarily get them clean because there are drugs available in jail too. Punishing people doesn't work, which is why I think personal drug possession or use should not be a crime at all.

How people see this differently, I really don't get it. The United States is one of the most punitive countries when it comes to drug laws and we have one of the worst problems. Besides becoming like Duterte's Philippines and lynching drug users in the streets, I don't see how we could possibly "crack down" any more and how anyone is blind to the fact that our policies are an abject failure. Harm reduction is the way to go. With drugs, with tobacco, with sex ed, with everything.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:49 am

That humanity is divided up into different races. Some liberals insist that skin color differences don't matter enough to constitute the existence of any sub races within our species but I've yet to see convincing evidence on that front. They just think that because in some situations, it is quite hard or near impossible to determine which mixed race individual belongs to what race. So they take the lazy approach and just claim that all humans are only of one race.
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Postby Radiatia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:49 am

The only one for me really is people who support abridging freedom of speech, for any reason, or trying to silence dissenting/opposing views.

Beyond that, I don't care how stupid or offensive what someone has to say is.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:50 am

Saiwania wrote:That humanity is divided up into different races. Some liberals insist that skin color differences don't matter enough to constitute the existence of any sub races within our species but I've yet to see convincing evidence on that front. They just think that because in some situations, it is quite hard or near impossible to determine which mixed race individual belongs to what race. So they take the lazy approach and just claim that all humans are only of one race.


Oh right, racism like this I also do not compromise on.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:53 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:That humanity is divided up into different races. Some liberals insist that skin color differences don't matter enough to constitute the existence of any sub races within our species but I've yet to see convincing evidence on that front. They just think that because in some situations, it is quite hard or near impossible to determine which mixed race individual belongs to what race. So they take the lazy approach and just claim that all humans are only of one race.


Oh right, racism like this I also do not compromise on.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me.

Racism is an absolute no-go.
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Postby Page » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:54 am

Saiwania wrote:That humanity is divided up into different races. Some liberals insist that skin color differences don't matter enough to constitute the existence of any sub races within our species but I've yet to see convincing evidence on that front. They just think that because in some situations, it is quite hard or near impossible to determine which mixed race individual belongs to what race. So they take the lazy approach and just claim that all humans are only of one race.


Apart from skin tone, height, hair type, and various aesthetic differences such as the shape of one's eyes, what differentiates one human race from another? Is there anything non-visual you're going on?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:54 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:That humanity is divided up into different races. Some liberals insist that skin color differences don't matter enough to constitute the existence of any sub races within our species but I've yet to see convincing evidence on that front. They just think that because in some situations, it is quite hard or near impossible to determine which mixed race individual belongs to what race. So they take the lazy approach and just claim that all humans are only of one race.


Oh right, racism like this I also do not compromise on.


Well, that post isn’t wrong, it’s just wrong to use it as a basis for saying some are superior/inferior to others.
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Postby Straite » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:55 am

People who say only whites can be racist.
People who deny climate change.
People who are anti-vacc.
People who think entire races are responsible for the actions of people in the past who were the same race as them.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:56 am

Realizing I forgot about fucking systemic racism. It's one of those things you figure should be a non-issue, but in my country, it's still a huge issue. When I talk to people who say "well racism is largely dead," I often can't help but get angry and offer a similarly angry rebuttal. Perhaps I should be more calm in that regard, but, when racism in the US is still a huge problem I realize that being perfectly calm is in and of itself irrational.

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:57 am

I can "compromise" on almost beliefs on their own. I could have a Communist friend, a Nazi friend and a hardcore vegan-feminist friend at the same time if I was able to stand their actual personality traits. However, that's the problem: Most extremists are forceful and violent, sometimes even murderous - especially the Nazis. And that I cannot accept in a friend.
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