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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Beer Prices Could Double Because Of Climate Change, Study Says

The price of beer could rise sharply this century, and it has nothing to do with trends in craft brewing. Instead, a new study says beer prices could double, on average, because of the price of malted barley, a key ingredient in the world's favorite alcoholic drink.

By projecting heat and drought trends over the coming decades, a team of researchers in China, the U.K. and the U.S. found that barley production could be sharply affected by the shifting climate. And that means some parts of the world would very likely be forced to pay much more for a beer.

In Ireland, a leading beer-consuming nation, prices could triple, the study says. Other countries would most likely drink less beer, as their farmers are expected to export more barley to countries that would struggle to grow enough barley under hotter, drier conditions.

The researchers acknowledge that the price of beer is "not the most concerning impact of future climate change." But in the study published Monday in the journal Nature Plants, the scientists say they wanted to use beer as an example to show the deep and wide-ranging effects of increasingly extreme weather.

Describing the worst-case prediction, Steven J. Davis, one of the researchers who conducted the study, wrote on Twitter:

"Under higher-warming climate scenarios, we find 100-year drought and heat events occur every three years, decreasing barley yields by an average 17 percent in those years, and increasing the price of a 6-pack in the U.S. by $1-8. Another way climate change will suck."

The effects described in the report are complex, as the researchers used several forecast tools — one to predict a range of climate scenarios, one for agricultural yields and another to see the economic conditions that would be a likely result. And as we've seen with the Earth's shifting climate, the predicted effects vary widely from region to region.

Under four different weather scenarios created for the years from 2010 to 2099, the world's barley growers would see "yield losses [that] range from 3 percent to 17 percent depending on the severity of the conditions," according to the study.

Beneath that overall impact, regional differences would be stark.

South America would fare poorly, as would many tropical areas. In China and the U.S., the barley yield is actually predicted to rise, but "not enough to offset the global decrease," the study says.

Climate change could reshape the barley and beer market, the researchers say, depicting a situation in which China, which currently drinks more Budweiser than the U.S., would scale back its beer consumption.

Whether the best- or worst-case scenario plays out, beer drinkers in Ireland, Canada, Poland and Italy are likely to see prices increase the most, according to the report. Beer-loving countries Belgium and the U.K. are also in the top 10.

Even under the two middle-range climate models used in the study, beer consumption is forecast to fall by an average of around 2 billion liters in China alone. The U.S. wouldn't be far behind, with beer consumption projected to fall by an average of around 1.75 billion liters.

The researchers acknowledge that their study has some limitations. For one thing, there's the difficulty of predicting the behavior of beer drinkers and their shifting tastes. Then there's the possibility that barley farmers might find ways to adapt.

"Our results reflect impacts of extreme events as though they happened in the present day," the study says, adding, "Global population and socioeconomic conditions are also held constant."

The Brewers Association, the U.S. trade group, responded to the study by calling it "largely an academic exercise and not one that brewers or beer lovers should lose any sleep over."

Saying that the beer industry "certainly understands and is already preparing for shifts in climate," BA economist Bart Watson and supply chain expert Chris Swersey write that barley production has always shifted geographically, while production efficiency "continues to grow over time."

Another element to consider, Watson and Swersey say, is the research being done to help not only barley but also hops — another crucial ingredient in beer — withstand high temperatures and drought.

The study's authors call their work a first step in analyzing the long-term impacts for beer drinkers, saying they wanted "to isolate the effects of extreme climatic events holding all other conditions constant."

Of course, there are those among us who could stand to cut back on beer. After all, a recent study in The Lancet medical journal stated, "Our results show that the safest level of drinking is none." But Dabo Guan, one of the study's lead authors, who is a professor of climate change economics, noted that beer has been part of human history for thousands of years.

"It may be argued that consuming less beer isn't itself disastrous, and may even have health benefits," Guan said in a statement from the University of East Anglia, where he works. "Nevertheless, there is little doubt that for millions of people around the world, the climate impacts on beer availability and price will add insult to injury."

The research paper has attracted wide attention, as it gives people a very concrete reference point from which to view the concept of climate change. Davis admitted to being unsure of how to view that phenomenon, after the report "garnered considerably more attention than any of my previous work on energy transitions or even air pollution deaths."

But Davis also acknowledged that for him, as it is for many, the beer index is personal. This research, he said, was "born of love and fear."

People can deny that increased hurricane frequency and strength, sinking islands and rising water levels are proof of climate change, but everyone understands having to pay double for beer. Do you think the impending price spike of brew will actually impart the significance of climate change in more people?
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Postby Teachian » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:38 pm

You know, maybe we should fix this climate change thing...

Seriously though, on one hand, I think it’s a great way to catch people’s attention. On the other another, idk if people are going to connect the two together in any meaningful way.

Though it does make for a great comedy sketch of a scientist explaining to an angry crowd why this is a big deal, only for them to all shout “so when can you bring the beer back?!?”
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Great, now how am I going to negate that sense of impending doom I get every time I think about climate change?
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Postby Dreshand » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:46 pm

Well then, at least this might be a big WAKE THE HELL UP message to those who keep denying it
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:52 pm

I'm a liquor man, jokes on ya'll.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:53 pm

It's alright..

Another element to consider, Watson and Swersey say, is the research being done to help not only barley but also hops — another crucial ingredient in beer — withstand high temperatures and drought.

Scientists are on it.

Oil exporting People wrote:I'm a liquor man, jokes on ya'll.


Liquor.. made without crops since..

Caracasus wrote:Great, now how am I going to negate that sense of impending doom I get every time I think about climate change?


I think opium is going to thrive in these new conditions..
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:23 pm

Bombadil wrote:Liquor.. made without crops since..


Depending upon the type of liquor, it's made from different crops than beer.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:42 pm

"Increasing the price of a six pack by 1-8 dollars."

I would consider taking up arms to ensure this doesn't happen. I am not resorting to Franzia ever again, so save the earth, so you can ensure your brewskis go down as fast as a fat kid on a seesaw. :p

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:08 am

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:26 am

The problem is that nobody believes this stuff anymore because a few doomsday scenarios didn’t happen.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:27 am

Excellent, our true goals for climate change shall finally be fulfilled!

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Postby The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:37 am

Well natural modern day climate change is one of the things I chalk up to crazy stuff along with flat earth
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:28 am

The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda wrote:Well natural modern day climate change is one of the things I chalk up to crazy stuff along with flat earth

You are not making our people out to look good if you think believing in climate change can at any level be equated to believing in flat earth.

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Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda wrote:Well natural modern day climate change is one of the things I chalk up to crazy stuff along with flat earth

You are not making our people out to look good if you think believing in climate change can at any level be equated to believing in flat earth.


I might be wrong but I read that as saying that believing climate change is only natural, and there is no human contribution to the problem, is like being a flat earther.
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Postby Painisia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:36 am

You know what, beer has never been my vice. It is boring. Wine and liquor is better
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Postby Cedoria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:43 am

Dreshand wrote:Well then, at least this might be a big WAKE THE HELL UP message to those who keep denying it

Sadly no, the important deniers are the ones in positions of power, who deny it not because they are ignorant but because it suits them to deny it.

I believe it's Mark Twain who is quoted as noting the difficulty of getting a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it. Not sure how authenticated it is, but the sentiment is apt, and precise in this case.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:55 am

No, never. Climate change deniers will always deny climate change because this belief is intertwined with other policial beliefs.

If a green/plastic tax is proposed, it's the evil liberals trying to make money off our backs. If hurrycanes increase and become more intense, it's god punishing us for tolerating gays and giving women rights. And if beer prices go up, it's an evil leftist plot to eliminate alcohol in favor of the evil muslims. There will always be an excuse.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:10 am

Man made climate change has been a scientific fact for decades. Only the right denies it.
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Postby Blackledge » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:16 am

Climate change must be a prohibitionist conspiracy.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:22 am

They’ll find a way to deny it anyway
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:21 am

-Ocelot- wrote:No, never. Climate change deniers will always deny climate change because this belief is intertwined with other policial beliefs.

If a green/plastic tax is proposed, it's the evil liberals trying to make money off our backs. If hurrycanes increase and become more intense, it's god punishing us for tolerating gays and giving women rights. And if beer prices go up, it's an evil leftist plot to eliminate alcohol in favor of the evil muslims. There will always be an excuse.

Yeah, this.

Wealthy climate change deniers won't be hit as hard by increased beer prices, and middle class ones were already hit much harder by climate change related disasters than by beer prices. It's preposterous to think they can put up with floods but not with paying more for beer.

It's not a matter of "hard knocks" it's a matter of education. Or if that doesn't work, cracking down on deniers. I'm sick of us using the soft gloves on denial of scientific facts.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:45 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Liquor.. made without crops since..


Depending upon the type of liquor, it's made from different crops than beer.

So all you drink is potato vodka and Chinese rice liquor.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 am

How do beer costs stack up against enviromental protection costs?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:04 am

The gall of liberals asking if higher beer prices will make more people care about climate change. As if the price of beer is something that is make-or-break for people's views and the only way to talk to them is take away beer, NASCAR or red hats.

Yup, keep considering the average right-wing voter as a food stamp beer-swilling full-denim moron who fell out of high school. Genuinely. Please do. I'm already planning my Kanye West 2024 party because there's nothing to worry about. Have fun with the 60-40 Senate.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:55 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Depending upon the type of liquor, it's made from different crops than beer.

So all you drink is potato vodka and Chinese rice liquor.


I tend to drink Vodka lot primarily because it's cheap and I've tried Sake before. Admittedly, however, my preference tends to be towards rum or, depending upon the type, Whiskey.
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