I will not be held responsible for the moral quandary of deciding whether she lives or dies
Therefore I leave to the gods
And bloodloss
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by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:42 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:48 pm
by Heloin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:48 pm
Turn out like the Romanian dictator? Norway is not some developing country lol
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:49 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:50 pm
Heloin wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:-also sniped-
So they do have a life imprisonment run by the military (irl she would probably get that).
However, the other 2 21 sentence gigs don’t sound very harsh, in fact, she could get out right?
Not likely. And no, she wouldn't.Turn out like the Romanian dictator? Norway is not some developing country lol
The point--->
You.
I mean killed by mob justice or by the probably very bitter commandos. She's unlikely to ever see a courtroom.
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:51 pm
by Heloin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:Not likely. And no, she wouldn't.
The point--->
You.
I mean killed by mob justice or by the probably very bitter commandos. She's unlikely to ever see a courtroom.
But I thought Norwegians were huge on the rule of law, forgiveness, and rehabilitation
Or did I read too much into the code?
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Heloin wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
But I thought Norwegians were huge on the rule of law, forgiveness, and rehabilitation
Or did I read too much into the code?
Oh Norwegians have been really into that since being independent (being nice and forgiving that is). But I'll bring back an example I said earlier, Quisling. I man so hated that his name means traitor, a man so hated in Norway that they basically brought back the peacetime death penalty for. This scenario you brought about Hitler 2.0 but with magic, quite a bit worse then some shameful collaborator.
by Heloin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:13 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:Oh Norwegians have been really into that since being independent (being nice and forgiving that is). But I'll bring back an example I said earlier, Quisling. I man so hated that his name means traitor, a man so hated in Norway that they basically brought back the peacetime death penalty for. This scenario you brought about Hitler 2.0 but with magic, quite a bit worse then some shameful collaborator.
So you think Annie could trigger the dark side of the Viking people?
by Infected Mushroom » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:15 pm
by Heloin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:39 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:For centuries they have kept there darker side done. Seeking to forget their once brutal way of life. But one Queen/Mafioso will cause them to shake things up.
Is this the part they call the Norway arc?
Where multiple groups plot and fight to take control of the prisoner and the rule of law is tested?
by The New California Republic » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:53 pm
by Chan Island » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:36 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:43 am
by Ifreann » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:49 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:Again pissing in the wind, there is the slimiest likelihood that Queenie Hitler 2.0 Mk3 will get released but it's not going to happen. And again Norway has the 21 years rule as a precedent to give people life in prison and has been using for quiet awhile now.. Breitvik will be in jail until he's old and grey and Hitler 2.0 over here has about the same chance of being executed in Norway as anywhere else. My argument isn't over what I or some random Norwegian think should happen, it's about what a prison sentence would look like.
Plus she probably would never make it to trial. For someone as awful as you created her end would probably happen to look like Ceaușescu's or Gaddafi's.
Zealandia.
It seems that the law has changed since Breivik.
From Wikipedia, unless there is better source:There are three types of maximum penalty laws:
* The maximum penalty under the military penal code is life imprisonment.
* The maximum determinate penalty (civilian penal code) is 21 years' imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends after serving a third of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years) and can receive early release after serving two thirds of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years). In 2008, to fulfill its requirements under the [[Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court|Rome Statute]], Norway created a new maximal penalty of 30 years for [[crimes against humanity]].
* The indeterminate penalty (civilian penal code), called "preventive detention" (Norwegian: ''forvaring''), is set at up to 21 years' imprisonment, with no eligibility for parole for a time period not exceeding 10 years. If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the detention can be extended by five years at a time. Renewal of the detention every five years can in theory result in ''actual'' life imprisonment. Preventive detention is used when the prisoner is deemed a danger to society and there is a great chance of his committing violent crimes in the future.However, after the minimum time period has elapsed, the offender can petition for parole once every year, and this may be granted if it is determined that he is no longer a danger to society.
So they do have a life imprisonment run by the military (irl she would probably get that).
However, the other 2 21 sentence gigs don’t sound very harsh, in fact, she could get out right?
Turn out like the Romanian dictator? Norway is not some developing country lol
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:53 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
It seems that the law has changed since Breivik.
From Wikipedia, unless there is better source:
So they do have a life imprisonment run by the military (irl she would probably get that).
However, the other 2 21 sentence gigs don’t sound very harsh, in fact, she could get out right?
Turn out like the Romanian dictator? Norway is not some developing country lol
The military penal code is the penal code that governs Norway's soldiers. It wouldn't be applicable to Witch Hitler.
by Chan Island » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:18 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:
wouldn't bringing the death penalty JUST to deal with one person be prejudicial?
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:27 am
Chan Island wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
wouldn't bringing the death penalty JUST to deal with one person be prejudicial?
Me being prejudicial became a moot point when she killed 12 million people with magic strong enough to take a worldwide coalition to take down. As I said, at that point she, as an individual, is a constant danger to world peace who would be very difficult to contain.
So yes, I am being so.
by The New California Republic » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:30 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Chan Island wrote:
Me being prejudicial became a moot point when she killed 12 million people with magic strong enough to take a worldwide coalition to take down. As I said, at that point she, as an individual, is a constant danger to world peace who would be very difficult to contain.
So yes, I am being so.
Looks like I may need to add a backstory to make the scenario a bit more balanced, explaining from her point of view why she felt justified...
by Ifreann » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:41 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Chan Island wrote:
Me being prejudicial became a moot point when she killed 12 million people with magic strong enough to take a worldwide coalition to take down. As I said, at that point she, as an individual, is a constant danger to world peace who would be very difficult to contain.
So yes, I am being so.
Looks like I may need to add a backstory to make the scenario a bit more balanced, explaining from her point of view why she felt justified...
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:43 am
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:43 am
by Ifreann » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:44 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:The New California Republic wrote:And what possible justification could there be?
*Pulls up a chair*
This should be good...
Give me a couple of hours to hammer out the details (they will be appended to the hypothetical) along with a picture of the Witch Queen... this should inspire some additional sympathy votes I expect...
by Ifreann » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:45 am
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