Life Sentence or Death Sentence???

[The Blaatschapen]

Nothing worse than sheep overflow errors.

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It's hard to sympathise with lunatics.


You're not going to be able to make a sympathetic reason for mass murder.

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

Slightly. Needs a male protoganist to make it into a Hollywood movie.

[Ifreann]

Nothing worse than sheep overflow errors.

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It's hard to sympathise with lunatics.


You're not going to be able to make a sympathetic reason for mass murder.

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

No, it would be better for a death penalty thread to just be about the death penalty.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Nothing worse than sheep overflow errors.

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It's hard to sympathise with lunatics.


You're not going to be able to make a sympathetic reason for mass murder.

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

Then you enter into the realm of lessened criminal liability on account of her mental state.

Don't make it so difficult, IM. You would be surprised how many people would support and have pity for a genocidal maniac if only she wanted to prevent the worst genocide of all: white genocide.

[Infected Mushroom]

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

No, it would be better for a death penalty thread to just be about the death penalty.

but then there would be no difference between this thread and the dozens that came before it on the same topic

plus a one liner thread would be locked no?

[Infected Mushroom]

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

Then you enter into the realm of lessened criminal liability on account of her mental state.

Theoretically yes, but I believe the bar for that sort of thing is really really high

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Then you enter into the realm of lessened criminal liability on account of her mental state.

Theoretically yes, but I believe the bar for that sort of thing is really really high

Depends on what jurisdiction you are in.

Also, I added a little edit to the above post.

[Heloin]

You keep making unsympathetic characters in overly wacky scenarios and expect everyone to question there morals over them. Someone who is pro death penalty isn't going to change there mind because in what future countries you dreamed up say yes to killing Hitler 2.0. And anyone anti death penalty isn't changing there mind just because you went from 12 to 100 million.

Nothing worse than sheep overflow errors.

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It's hard to sympathise with lunatics.


You're not going to be able to make a sympathetic reason for mass murder.

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

That'd be irrelevant and silly. You can't make Hitler 2.0 sympathetic.

I prefer not to. I am not enough RAM for that.

*clap*

[Durzan]

The death penalty should ALWAYS be the highest possible punishment a person can receive for a crime; that doesn't mean that it is appropriate under all or even most circumstances though... you know, the punishment must be appropriate to the crime. Only the most heinous of crimes committed (IE premeditated murder of one or more people, rape, and/or torture) should have the death penalty as the maximum punishment. In those instances, killing the offender is in the interest of public safety and the financial interests of the nation; even if rehabilitation is an option, there's no guarantee that the it would always prove effective, he would be severely restricted in his freedom regardless of successful rehabilitation (costing the government valuable revenue that would better be put elsewhere) and there is always the chance of the convict escaping so long as he's alive. Thus, the Death Penalty is both necessary and merciful, when applied properly and with sober consideration.

In a situation such as this, execution is definitely appropriate. She was responsible for a 21st equivalent of the Holocaust, and if she did manage to escape, she could rise to power again under the right circumstances. Besides, magic doesn't exactly follow the same rules as science, so who knows if she can get her powers back or not. Thus, killing her is not only justified, but the most prudent option. Just make sure that you tie lead weights around her feet when you hang her, so as to increase the chance of breaking her neck. That way she doesn't hang there strangling and gasping for air until she finally croaks.

FYI this whole scenario is moot, as International Courts exist for this very kind of thing. Why the hell would you not account for this OP? Good grief, there are NEVER JUST two options to a situation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, it would be better for a death penalty thread to just be about the death penalty.

but then there would be no difference between this thread and the dozens that came before it on the same topic

plus a one liner thread would be locked no?

Then don't make a one-liner OP. Say "Do you support the death penalty, yes or no? I believe >insert your opinion here< because >insert reason here<"

[El-Amin Caliphate]

FYI this whole scenario is moot, as International Courts exist for this very kind of thing. Why the hell would you not account for this OP? Good grief, there are NEVER JUST two options to a situation.

It's set in a slightly more authoritarian alternate universe in the near future .

[Infected Mushroom]

What if she started her campaign to "purify Europe" because during her teenage years she was the sole surviver of a major terrorist attack/hostage situation in Rome (the rest of her family having been killed)? Since then she's suffered from PTSD and substance abuse; in the wake of the EU's poor economic performance and her declining mental condition she was vulnerable to the recruitment tactics of military far right groups and their rhetoric? Then she discovered she had magical powers and used them to first take over the group, then the government, then entire countries?

would that be better?

Slightly. Needs a male protoganist to make it into a Hollywood movie.

Probably some liberal journalist type character from Oslo who tries to help her, maybe played by someone like Matthew Modine (or pick a Norwegian/Danish actor, maybe Coster-Waldau). Of course, he would ultimately fail as she spirals towards the dark side, probably becoming a victim of the regime. Of course, the people on the far right who initially manipulate and user would get no better a fate (she kills them too).

Then you have the second movie which focuses on the war itself and the band of wizards that help the Allies fight against her. But the whole thing would change in tone as it becomes more like an Artemis Fowl/Death Note mind game battle until the end.

[Heloin]

FYI this whole scenario is moot, as International Courts exist for this very kind of thing. Why the hell would you not account for this OP? Good grief, there are NEVER JUST two options to a situation.

It's set in a slightly more authoritarian alternate universe in the near future .

IM's slight near future were ever nation on earth has become really pro death except Norway which has gone against it's historical precedent and now releases mass murderers instead of renewing 21 year life sentencing.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No amount of bad childhood or some "let's purify Europe" eugenics is excusable for killing 12 mil people.

Which brings up another things: "purify Europe" is used a lot in white supremacist circles to mean gemociding non-whites in Europe. So is this witch racist?

[Infected Mushroom]

It's set in a slightly more authoritarian alternate universe in the near future .

IM's slight near future were ever nation on earth has become really pro death except Norway which has gone against it's historical precedent and now releases mass murderers instead of renewing 21 year life sentencing.

I believe that under the current system, Norway's highest sentence is the indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years (in solitary confinement).

Is this not correct?

Technically any and all mass murderers in Norway can be released after 21 years if the system deems that they have been rehabilitated and are no longer a threat to Norway.

[Infected Mushroom]

No amount of bad childhood or some "let's purify Europe" eugenics is excusable for killing 12 mil people.

Which brings up another things: "purify Europe" is used a lot in white supremacist circles to mean gemociding non-whites in Europe. So is this witch racist?

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No amount of bad childhood or some "let's purify Europe" eugenics is excusable for killing 12 mil people.

Which brings up another things: "purify Europe" is used a lot in white supremacist circles to mean gemociding non-whites in Europe. So is this witch racist?

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

Wait what? Since when was the mafia queen racist?

[Free Arabian Nation]

No amount of bad childhood or some "let's purify Europe" eugenics is excusable for killing 12 mil people.

Which brings up another things: "purify Europe" is used a lot in white supremacist circles to mean gemociding non-whites in Europe. So is this witch racist?

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

Is there like some greater story lore here?

Is every single IM thread a part of a greater story?

[Infected Mushroom]

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

Is there like some greater story lore here?

Is every single IM thread a part of a greater story?

No, for now the threads are not interconnected (not necessarily)

that might change in the future though

[Infected Mushroom]

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

Wait what? Since when was the mafia queen racist?

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=450984

Its under the first spoiler of the thread (that contains the overly detailed bio for the hypothetical's antagonist character). You might not have seen it on a first read because it was appended to the text to provide context after someone suggested the antagonist should also get a backstory to explain her villainous behaviour of killing your entire family.

Under the leadership of the royal family, the Mafia has also adopted pseudo-Nazi policies and from time to time conducts hate crimes against people they consider to be impure... she hides in her protected mansion while threatening her crews with death if they do not take care of you. During this time, there has also been an escalation of hate crimes across the USA against “the impure.”

[Heloin]

IM's slight near future were ever nation on earth has become really pro death except Norway which has gone against it's historical precedent and now releases mass murderers instead of renewing 21 year life sentencing.

I believe that under the current system, Norway's highest sentence is the indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years (in solitary confinement).

Is this not correct?

Technically any and all mass murderers in Norway can be released after 21 years if the system deems that they have been rehabilitated and are no longer a threat to Norway.

Technically but if you go by technically for everything then you just pissing in the wind. "Indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years" is just legal jargon for life. Hitler 2.0 is never getting out.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes. The witch is racist. Most definitely.

This is a trait she has in common with the Mafia Queen.

Is there like some greater story lore here?

Is every single IM thread a part of a greater story?

Are the mafia queen and this witch related???
>x-files song intensifies<

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe that under the current system, Norway's highest sentence is the indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years (in solitary confinement).

Is this not correct?

Technically any and all mass murderers in Norway can be released after 21 years if the system deems that they have been rehabilitated and are no longer a threat to Norway.

Technically but if you go by technically for everything then you just pissing in the wind. "Indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years" is just legal jargon for life. Hitler 2.0 is never getting out.

Oh so you mean realistically speaking there's no precedent for someone getting out after 21 years for the most serious crimes?

I actually don't know it would be interesting...

[Heloin]

Technically but if you go by technically for everything then you just pissing in the wind. "Indefinite imprisonment with a minimum of 21 years" is just legal jargon for life. Hitler 2.0 is never getting out.

Oh so you mean realistically speaking there's no precedent for someone getting out after 21 years for the most serious crimes?

I actually don't know it would be interesting...

Yep, and no there is no way Hilter 2.0 would break that precedent. Hell Norway is more likely to pull a quisling and reinstitute the death penalty just for her then end it again.

Is there like some greater story lore here?

Is every single IM thread a part of a greater story?

Are the mafia queen and this witch related???
>x-files song intensifies<

*sigh* Still a better crossover then Justice League.

[Luziyca]

It is tough: on one hand, life imprisonment not only allows people to have a chance at reforming themselves into a proper citizen, but it can also be designed so that the imprisoned may wish for death rather than to continue to endure their sentence. On the other, there are some criminals who are so evil and irredeemable that death is a better option, and it does feel good to the gut.

I'd probably just declare her an outlaw, in all honesty.

[Ifreann]

No, it would be better for a death penalty thread to just be about the death penalty.

but then there would be no difference between this thread and the dozens that came before it on the same topic

You never know, people's views can change over time.

plus a one liner thread would be locked no?

It would be, but to avoid this one would offer their own thoughts on the death penalty and why they support/oppose it.